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Extraordinary People - Outlaw Births (Is this legal??)

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yummymummy4 · 04/07/2008 11:49

I have just seen the following advert on C5:

Extraordinary People - Outlaw births:
Documentary following three womean as the prepare to give birth without medical care, midwife intervention or pain relief

I can understand trying to give birth without pain relief / Medical intervention but without a midwife?

I could not imagine going through it all without a midwife, it also appeared from the advert (though it could just be leaving parts out) that one pregnant womean at least had not had any midwife support as she was getting her blood pressure checked at a supermarket machine.

Is this legal?, what if something happens to the baby?.

I am not sure if the womean shown had even had a scan.

Have any other mums here come across this?

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PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 22:08

'the thought of giving birth alone, undisturbed and at peace in my own environment is a pleasant one that makes me look forward to the birth'

is what i meant to say.... preg brain

workstostaysane · 04/07/2008 22:21

hi pinktulips,
very sorry to hear about your experiences at the hospital.
where in the world are you, if thats not too revealing?

and when are you due?
i wasn't thrilled with my midwives last time, although because i was at home, it was still a lovely exhilirating fantastic experience and i can't wait to do it again.

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 22:51

west of ireland..... you'd think it was the congo judging by the healthcare system though.

due in feb so ages away yet. who knows, might win the lotto and be able to afford a homebirth midwife

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:07

my mum had a horrible experience of hospital birth in 1972 as an unmarried young mother. she swore shed never go through that again. so i was next, 4 yrs later, born at home this time. and half the bloody world was invited but no midwife till the v last second as my mum thought she was an irritating cow so neglected to call her good on her.

i could do it alone. im very ,um, efficient at birthing (45 minutes from asleep to breastfeeding is my record). only, i rather enjoy being the centre of attention for once and having everyone bow to my needs as im the one in labour and im the star of the show (until the baby comes and steals my thunder all too soon if you ask me )

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:08

pinktulips - do a sponsored something and have an online justgiving page to raise te funds for your homebirth. id sponsor you!

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 23:09
Grin
Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:17

im not joking!
my mum did a degree when i was at secondary school. in russian. she had to go to russia but couldnt afford it (FT student, single mother of 4, PT shift working mw, no money or time)
she had a 'fund raising party' to raise the money for the needed trip.
i shit you nnot, she had a party, and people gave her money. enough to fulfil her dream of the moment.
i think if you held them every week, they might not work so well...lol.... but once ina lifetime? when it really fucking matters? is it not worth a try? i really honestly would sponsor you - you can email me and remind me if you want!

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 23:26

well considering people's reactions when i commented during a conversation a few months back that 'if i get pregnant again i'd love a homebirth' were and 'jesus god no, that sounds horrendous', i don't think there'd be many considering it a worthy cause round here

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:33

oh.

bugger.

bit of a non starter then.

doh!

id still sponsor you... if you did it online. how much you need? 3000 euro? hmmm, percentagewise i cant really make too much of a dent in that, but i could give you a hundred if i were as pissed as i am now

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:34

come to my house and have it here, id be happy to accomodate you

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:34

other than travel expenses would be free too, nhs baby.

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 23:36

pmsl..... slight chance i'd give birth on the plane on the way over think the flight attendants might be worse than dp at midwifery

YasminClair · 04/07/2008 23:37

HELLO EVERYONE

We are Yasmin and Clair, a lesbian couple and WE ARE IN THIS DOCUMENTARY. For those of you who have seen the advert, Clair is the one on all fours naked in labour, and I am the one behind her ready to catch the baby. The lady getting her blood pressure etc checked in a supermarket is american.

To the woman who said we were putting our baby at risk- PLEASE! Give me a break. We're not martyrs, nor are we uneducated- Clair is ex-nurse and a Doula, and we speent HOURS pouring over books and the internet. We live ten minutes away from a hospital and had there been any complications, we would have gone there no problem. We have no issues with hospitals- we fully respect them!- We simply CHOSE to have our baby at home, in our living room.

An hour after he was born, we were showered and drinking tea and had friends over for lunch and that was that. Life went on. We had our baby et voila- lovely and the best experience of our lives.

Make sure you all watch the show and tell us what you think!!

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:38

lol
yeah, youd have to come early and stay for a while... oh well, it'd be nice. i have chickens you know. and live on an old farm in the countryside when are you due?

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:39

Yasmin - good on you! enjoy motherhood

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 23:44

well done you two you must be so proud of yourselves!

i'm actually crying a little reading that

how did you deal with the authorities afterwards with regard to getting him registered and organising the health visitor for his checkups and stuff?

PinkTulips · 04/07/2008 23:47

febuary.... aaagggees away.

i'd have to bring the clan, ds would hunt me down for his mama milk otherwise

Amphibimum · 04/07/2008 23:55

oh yes, we love littlepeople round here, the more the merrier

seriously, i wish i could open a residential birthing home. have the cottage available for people to come and live in from week 37, with a birth pool and stuff ready to go...

PinkTulips · 05/07/2008 00:01

i have a half arsed plan to train as a midwife simply so i can become a HB midwife and make the service available to a few women who might not be able to afford the money grabbing hussies round here..... i mean what sort of a person charges 5000 euros for a days work? and is that really the type of person you'd want at your birth?

Amphibimum · 05/07/2008 00:11

my mum trained as a mw, and worked for many years as a community mw doing hb's for that very reason; she wanted to make birth a better experience for others. shes alright, my mum.

PinkTulips · 05/07/2008 00:17

does she fancy a trip to the beautiful west of ireland by any chance

dear god, have just realised i'm up well past my bedtime, gotta go get some beauty sleep.... the little monstors darlings will be up at stupid o clock in the am again.

ButterflyMcQueen · 05/07/2008 00:22

pinktulips no one can force you to stay in hospital can they

cant you discharge yourself

PinkTulips · 05/07/2008 00:29

was 1am and was told he'd be seen at 6am when paeds turned up for work. i was fairly shattered and so was dp so i figured 'ok, get out of here before breakfast, how bad can it be'

was awake all night with the comings and goings, was given agro by a nurse for not having enough clothes on ds (he had one layer of clothes on and was co cleeping in a room that was easily 25degrees celcious)

was 2pm before they checked him and discharged me. they tag the babies at birth and won't untag them til you've been discharged so i would have set off every alarm in the building if i'd walked out

madamez · 05/07/2008 00:30

Each to their own and all that. But maternal/baby death rates have gone down rathe a lot since everyone gave birth attended by some dirty-handed gin-soaked old witch or no one at all....
And I got offered a home birth with DS and my answer was something like 'not in a million years thank you.'

yummymummy4 · 05/07/2008 00:31

Yasminclair,

I am really looking forward to watching the show after reading through all the different opinions, at first I was a little unsure but now I realise it is not that different to a homebirth with a midwife present especially if you have experience,researched etc.

I have set my sky box to record it but my husband said it was bad enough watching me give birth and he does not fancy watching anyone else go through it.

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