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FFS BBC1 news showing shot gun death

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ButterflyMcQueen · 02/07/2008 22:11

I find the killing of the bloke disgusting in the extreme

filming and broadcasting it is beyond me and

Its not right

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2shoes · 02/07/2008 22:56

ButterflyMcQueen maybe the reporter(who was there) having seen the carnage first hand had little or no sympathy for the man.

wotnopulling · 02/07/2008 22:59

they showed it because they had it and I'm guessing no-one else did cos it happened outside the bbc bureau (anyone seen sky or cnn or al jaz?).

the reporter said what had happened was 'extraordinary' or some such form of words but what he meant was it was remarkable that they got as-it-happens footage which never happens. if there is one conflict in the world where death by bulldozer is not extraordinary it's isreal/palestine.

wotnopulling · 02/07/2008 23:01

ladymariner - sounds like only the bbc have the footage.

the reporter's sympathy doesn't come into it. he's seen enough of both sides to know what's what.

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ButterflyMcQueen · 02/07/2008 23:02

2shoes i have little sympathy for a lot of folk but two men could have disabled the machine not grin and shoot twice at point blank range

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Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:02

Can I ask who the reporter was?

2shoes · 02/07/2008 23:06

so who is going to start a thread saying how terrible it was that some poor inocent people were murdered by this man? just for think of them for a bit.
I think your outrage is misplaced imo.
he cold bloodly murdered at least 3 people and maimed countless others. yet his death gets your outrage!!!

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ButterflyMcQueen · 02/07/2008 23:07

showing his death outrages me yes

an eye for an eye is it ? hmm

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expatinscotland · 02/07/2008 23:07

because it was shown on camera, 2shoes.

showing ANYONE'S death like that without their consent is beyond he pale, IMO.

2shoes · 02/07/2008 23:09

there was a warning before hand and there is a off switch on the tv,
of course the man should have been restrained and given counselling.

Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:09

OK I've seen it now. It's an extraordinary story and I don;t know how explicit the warning was but it certainly wasn't in the public interest BUT I would say the man was a lunatic bulldozing innocent civilians so it is deemed somehow less disturbing to see him being stopped from his carnage.

wotnopulling · 02/07/2008 23:09

the debate here is was the bbc right to show it. not who was the bad guy.

the reporter was tim franks.

Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:10

Expat it would be pretty hard to get their consent though eh?

expatinscotland · 02/07/2008 23:10

i don't think that's an excuse - oh, we're going to show someone's death on TV without their consent and you can just turn your head away.

and everyone knows i'm not one of those that has a soft-touch when it comes to murders, although i've NEVER been pro-death penalty.

expatinscotland · 02/07/2008 23:11

well, of course, spider, so then it shouldn't be shown.

because it's a low blow and shameful.

MARGOsBeenPlayingWithMyNooNoo · 02/07/2008 23:12

My boss has just arrived over there. He is going to be a human shield. He doesn't reckon he'll be over there that long apparently they get arrested and deported back to Blighty quite quickly.

Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:12

I think the world is changing. The media is being democratised for better or worse. The world is crawling with mobile phone cameras and youtube privacy invasions. Journalists can't ignore this and I also believe that a loon who drives a bulldozer into innocent people loses a certain amount of privacy from the cameras in life or in death.

2shoes · 02/07/2008 23:13

By wotnopulling on Wed 02-Jul-08 23:09:57
the debate here is was the bbc right to show it. not who was the bad guy.

the reporter was tim franks.

as in all debates
people can air what opinions they like. of course what the man did was relevant.imo

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ButterflyMcQueen · 02/07/2008 23:15

why broadcast it though spidermama?

with some narrative by franks along the lines of ' our cameraman catches the moment he is killed'

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Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:15

The man flagged himself up. It was his spectacular action which led to the media interest, and the interest of any casual onlooker, in the first place. It's mad to suggest there'd be some sort of averted eyes for the sense of decency in such an utterly compelling, albiet horrendous occurence.

wotnopulling · 02/07/2008 23:15

but he was in a public place and he's dead so no trial - there is no legal reason to not show footage is there?

and how far should the bbc go in being bumped into showing footage because a 'citizen journalist' has mobile phone footage and will post it on web. shots of princess di's car in the tunnel anyone?

Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:16

I didn't hear Franks so I can't comment on what he said. I would hope he'd have the sense to guard against sensationalism in this sensational story.

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ButterflyMcQueen · 02/07/2008 23:17

what an odd viewpoint spidermama 'mad' ?

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edamdepompadour · 02/07/2008 23:17

Agree with Spider - consent really isn't an issue when someone chooses to crush innocent passers-by. If he gave any thought at all to the headlines, he would probably have been pleased to be the centre of attention.

wotnopulling · 02/07/2008 23:18

they showed it cos they had it and no-one else did. simple as that.

despite all the expensive bbc managers who will have had meetings about it.

sky would have taken same decision but quicker and more cheaply.

Spidermama · 02/07/2008 23:19

It's to do with the way the media operates and the expectations of people in what they will see. There are so many different sources of news now that the Ten O'clock news on BBC1 has a duty to remain dynamic and respond the the changing global media expectations.

If they hadn't given a warning, then fair enough. But they did.

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