Russell Brand 🤢🤮 in the Docky Wock

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Credit to @thebrowncatisback for the title. Original thread is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/5589048-russell-brand?callback=in&code=YTEWYJJJMZQTMJFHNS0ZNDI5LTK3N2QTZWJHYWNHZJGXNZA2&page=39&state=aa7521b41da5458084d85ced7c73c27d

Found not guilty is also that the beyond reasonable doubt test is not met. Does not mean that the specific crime probably wasn't committed.

This is very insightful thank you.

Yes. “Probably” did it isn’t high enough to meet the standard of proof. Which is fucking irritating in this case TBH because I believe the complainants 💯%.

Ok so there was a documentary in 2015 which showed his change to social activist over the last five years which apparently he originally was up for and then wanted not to be shown. They rekindled in 2015 so he was an activist. They’ve moved to Florida. I’m interested in why some comments elsewhere seem to think ‘ the establishment ‘ are doing this as he’s such a revealer of truth? He seems to be a fringe figure using a platform available to anyone and not really a threat to ‘the establishment’?

Fair enough. I understand the distinction.
As it's clear throughout my posting on this thread I don't think he's innocent so when I say 'found innocent' I do really mean not enough proof for them to be sure.
I won't be saying, 'He is innocent.'

@TofuTuesdayI am fairly sure the origin of the spin that the “establishment” are doing this as he’s such a truth-teller is Brand himself.

If he is found not guilty it means that the allegations could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt on this occasion rather than him being innocent

Even if he is found not guilty by a random jury, so many people really, really want to cling to their own preconception that he has to be guilty and should be punished forever for a crime no one has proven he committed..

So are you calling these 6 women liars?

No. I don't think that's the case.

You may be believe he did it, I may believe he did it nevertheless a juror might think he didn't do any of it and not as you to be suggesting I think he did it but can't prove it so I'm gonna have to say not guilty.

What you seem to be describing is the French system where guilt is assumed unless you can prove you're innocent.

(I'm happy to be corrected on the French system.)

I really feel that he did it and I also really feel that he will be found not guilty 😓

Does anyone follow Laura Richards on Insta? She has an interest post on Brand and on the celebrity seeking an injunction.

No, re-read my post, slowly…
I have no preconception and didn’t hear their evidence - the jury did. Not going to second-guess the judging of those actually witnessed the evidence being given.

You are making it personal when it’s not - I’m describing the justice system in this country

he is already guilty or not - he’s not waiting in some kind of anti chamber to turn into guilty or innocent

I’m describing what it means in the real world after a court process has been applied

he’s already guilty or not - that is reality now

Probably those 6 women - I agree - I would be

Why ever not? Like you say you aren’t party to that separate process

Your not part of this particular court process you can have an opinion

Yes I do @Fast800goingforit I saw that post yesterday. Sent me down another rabbit hole. Also saw that Terry Christian had posted the awards ceremony clip of Bob Geldof.

yes, she's brilliant. I really hope she is still consulted on some matters

I really hope that other women start to speak up, now that they know they have support from other women. Then (esp if he gets found not guilty), the extent of RB's crimes will be out there for all to see.

That's revolting @Yumyumyumyumyum and reported.

Ridiculous

Deliberations start Tuesday I think. How long do you think it will take to get verdicts?

What's the relevance of Bob Geldof got to do with this thread?!?🤔