Russell Brand 🤢🤮 in the Docky Wock

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Credit to @thebrowncatisback for the title. Original thread is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/5589048-russell-brand?callback=in&code=YTEWYJJJMZQTMJFHNS0ZNDI5LTK3N2QTZWJHYWNHZJGXNZA2&page=39&state=aa7521b41da5458084d85ced7c73c27d

It's a clever way to finish.
Firstly, what harm can it do? The worst thing that the jurors will think is that well she would say that.
She's going to be complimentary. Obviously the defence will make sure of that.

Secondly, what of those who are on the fence about his guilt/innocence.

This could be the thing that sways them to find him innocent: oh well I'm unsure, can't really decide one way or another but he seems reformed now so give him the benefit of the doubt.

If it's the last thing they hear that also favours Brand.

They're asking 12 members of the public who are human beings at the end of the day not experts.

Not sure about your last point though about Gisele P.

Apparently Brand was mouthing things to his wife whilst she was giving evidence. Surely the judge should have stopped that.

I also found it telling re the discrepancy with LB saying she “hung out” with RB during the time these crimes were committed. The prosecution then pointed out she is on tape saying they hadn’t seen each for years. It sets her up as someone who is willing to tell porkies.

Also interesting LB said she had no contact at all when he was married to Katie Perry but “ he called me after his marriage [ended] and gifted me meditation for me and my [then] boyfriend."
This also sets her up as someone who is rather gullible. Who the heck would admit to your ex phoning you up and “gifting you a meditation” just after ending a marriage.
I don’t think her evidence helped RB at all.

This is Sky News summary of today.
https://news.sky.com/story/russell-brand-trial-live-defence-evidence-rape-sexual-assault-latest-13592674

It includes a photo of RB from his book. The caption reads: "This is the exact moment when I decided to act gay to attract girls. It took 15 years to produce results."

During Brand's cross-examination yesterday, lead prosecutor Riel Karmy-Jones KC accused him of "acting gay" to gain the trust of women.

And of course the first victim to accuse RB of Rape said she was convinced he was gay so felt very safe going to a hotel room with him. He’s bloody well admitting in his book that is exactly what he did.

I was a jury member once . We were a mixed bag of people and you spend a lot of time with each other so get to know each other. I must say we took the responsibility very seriously , listening carefully to all the evidence, making sure it was just evidence presented in court etc Its a big responsibility and in my case we were all very diligent in considering both the prosecution and defence evidence. The women’s testimonies are evidence, so it will be up to the jury to decide if their accounts on the witness stand , along with their corroborating evidence (witness statements) , are stronger than RB’s account . And how sure they are that the women are telling the truth.

@TotaleclipseinFrance My point is that LB just cannot believe that her husband would commit such acts. She’s deluded. There must be some doubts in her mind because she’s sat through these testimonies and she just can’t believe them. It reminds me of Gisele. I read her book. When the police showed her the videos of herself she denied that it was her. She thought it was someone acting as her. Her mind just wouldn’t compute that her husband could do such horrific things. It took her a while and a lot of evidence to accept what was going on.

Surely he hasn't changed his appetite that just doesn't go away. Sadly we all know people like him. To me the fact he cheats makes it more likely. If I was on a jury j wouldn't convict on that but to me his insatiable appetite and the celebrity arrogance makes it more likely.

I'd put money on him cheating on Laura, even when they got back together

I agree probably still cheating - her evidence was carefully couched in terms of honesty being important no mention of fidelity.

Change of subject, but this photo really disturbs me.
Can you enlarge the image, cover up the rest of her face with your hand and look in to her eyes? She looks absolutely terrified to me and the expression in her eyes makes me feel deeply nervous.
Brand took this photo of Katy during their marriage and he posted it on to his Twitter page. 48 minutes later he removed it.
Katy was actually looking at him like this as he took the photo.
At the time, so much was made in the headlines of "Katy Perry without make up!!!!" that nobody seemed to pay attention to the fact that this woman looked terrified and traumatised.
It makes my blood run cold to imagine what was going on at the time. No woman should have this expression in her eyes when looking at her husband.

I think there are men that can be loving husbands to them yet they can treat other women like animals, it’s scary. She might not be lying he might genuinely treat her amazingly. Or she could be lying through her teeth, or terrified of him, who knows.
I wouldn’t want to be in her position but he makes me sick.

I mean what was he thinking!? I remember it being reported that she was furious, as many women would be. Such a breach of trust/boundaries....really odd behaviour

Coconut, thanks for the reminder. Such a violation of her privacy. But yes she does look worn down and terrified. I think I had a similar look in my eyes when my ex used to shout at me and degrade me verbally. He broke up with her but she’s seriously dodged a bullet. And kept her privacy by walking away and not talking.
there must be so many other women who know what he’s like.
it is very hard in an intimate situation to stop it, or get away. I wouldn’t be surprised if many others thought he was crossing lines with them. I believe these women 100 percent

Maybe Laura thinks he’s changed and is supporting him. She’s the one he married and stuck with, maybe she’s a believer for better for worse etc? Who knows.

Basically the reason why RB’s team decided to put Laura on the stand is to push home that he is a father of a family and historic misdemeanours are secondary to the current situation. In other words. His defence is putting forward the argument that it would be cruel to deprive his current family of a father vs locking him away for historical offences

The Yorkshire Ripper was very good to his wife. What a lovely husband......ffs

what does it mean that these allegations and the tv doc have had a devastating affect on his personal life? His friends? His marriage?

His friends don’t want to know him - won’t speak up for him - caused problems in his marriage - let’s face it he would be expressing the same appetite in his marriage (she knows alright) - obv none will hire him

all fair dues if he’s guilty

Defence is that he is now a family man

the defence is that he is now a family man so why deprive his children of their father and family

Laura giving evidence is basically saying that he is a loving family man

Putting him away for historical offenses vs his current life as a father

That is what the defence team is going for

That’s not a defence to rape. Possibly a mitigating factor in sentencing if the judge buys it - reformed character, no longer a threat to women etc.

I mean, if that's really the best they can do, that's beyond feeble. This isn't one of those supposedly "one-off" cases where someone did something heinous when they were very young and immature but is a totally reformed character. And I'm not sure Laura's "evidence" proves that he is at all.

Having supposedly "found God" (yeah, right) and having children isn't going to hold much weight in a British court that has to judge him on his past behaviours and the crimes he was accused of. What he and his deluded wife claim his current ones are is neither here nor there. Largely irrelevant and a bit desperate, tbh. In fact, I'm quite surprised that the defence is this weak..

So no, not sure a jury is going to buy it. And it may well make him look even worse.

LB thinks she has won because in her mind all these women wanted her husband but she has him. They are of course jealous and making up lies.

She has his children.
He chose her.

However, he is just using her and the religion as a get out of jail card.