The Lindsay Clancy trial.

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Is anyone following it? Absolutely heartbreaking. All such lovely people.

Have caught some of it. Something was bothering me about it so I have tended to watch it less. I've noticed a lot of questions being asked about the Dad. I might dip
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I searched to see if there was a thread about this trial and found this thread. I read a couple of posts on social media and now I’ve been flooded with conspiracy theorists and opinionated crackpots who have no idea how the criminal justice system works.

It’s a terrible, heartbreaking case that’s becoming a circus due to the media coverage, which makes it into entertainment. I’m so relieved the British courts aren’t live streamed and made into macabre entertainment.

I hadn't heard about it. Brief overview here https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-former-nanny-loving-mother-children-rcna591135

Really sad. I’ve seen a bit on TikTok about the husband. Not sure how much is true. That he knew she was struggling/mentally unwell and didn’t get help. Didn’t help much with the kids.

However I do think that afterwards it’s easy to say how could he not have noticed how bad she was. But at the time it might have been subtle?

I assume he’s divorced her?

ive no idea how the verdict will go. You’d like to think a mother couldn’t murder her kids unless mentally unwell but men do it. 🤷🏻‍♀️. However no previous signs of her being abusive, etc. which makes a sudden snap of insanity more likely?

Is there any sign of what the husband is hoping for in a verdict?

From what I read, she had sought plenty of help. She’d been in and out of psychiatric care and was on various medications at the time of the murders. I haven’t read anything that indicates she or her husband were ignoring her problems.

Tragic case. She was very unwell.

I’ve been watching it in TikTok snippets. The comments are largely dreadful. And worse, where people post footage and film themselves reacting and speculating in the guise of an ‘expert’. TikTok attracts a huge number of people with IQs in single figures.

These armchair sleuths with extremely limited brain capacity seem to forget that real people are sitting in that courtroom experiencing something unimaginably awful. This poor woman was in the grip of horrific post partum psychotic illness, yet she’s being called ‘evil’.

Her husband has been to hell and back, yet he is being blamed for what happened and roundly lambasted for meeting someone else and re-marrying. He lost his children. He also had to endure the public dissection of his marriage, his wife’s illness, his own actions, and eventually his decision to build another life. Grief doesn’t impose a lifetime sentence of loneliness. He deserves every possible chance of happiness.

The people who have actually lived through this tragedy are entitled to far more compassion than they’re being given.

I think it was more to do with getting her more help with the kids and not leaving her by herself and going to work if she was that bad. But I can fully believe he didn’t realise she was that bad until it was too late.

It’s disgusting, isn’t it. The amount of people on the internet treating this like a Whodunnit for their own entertainment. All of them experts in psychosis, trauma, body language, law … and convinced the entire trial is an elaborate set up to prove the husband did it.

Some of the things I’ve read about her husband. It’s almost like the defence are not needed.

The whole point is she has admitted guilt and it’s whether she should go to prison or spend her sentence in a hospital.

I’ve been closely following this, watching all the live court feeds. Something that strikes me is that the media is frequently reporting she was on 13 different anti psychotic medications when this is just not true. Over the course of nearly 2 years she was prescribed many different medications (mostly anti anxiety and anti depressants) but she was only ever taking 2 at most at one time, and even then only taking several doses from each prescription. The prosecution is trying to use this to say she wasn’t over medicated and this can’t be used as a reason for her psychosis - but so far no one has suggested that her inability to stick with any one medication long enough to see if it worked may have contributed to her spiralling further into depression etc. My husband has severe bipolar and has been on some of those medications so I find it all very interesting.

If anyone hasn’t seen this before or heard about this case (which is very similar, the woman was found guilty) - have a watch of this -

She was prescribed 13 different medications over the course of 4 months.

She was only taking several from each prescription yes but her prescription was being changed constantly, she could have been experiencing withdrawals from one while starting the side effects of the next one.

The timeline of the medications is shown here. https://archive.ph/nkYde

The fact she didn't stick to a medication for long enough may well be a factor but she wasn't prescribing the new medications to herself.

I would imagine he wants her to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

He did ask for forgiveness for her before and say he wasn't married to a monster, he was married to someone who got sick.

Of course his feelings might have changed in the meantime, maybe is more conflicted now, but he does has a civil suit against the professionals involved so from that perspective too, not guilty by reason of insanity would help the case.

Yes he's already remarried, there are also reports that he has a new baby.

This has really fueled the ideas online that her husband may have framed her, some are convinced he was cheating etc.

He moved in with his girlfriend 4 months after his children were murdered….

Honestly some of the theories people are putting forward are wild.

One I saw was that she wanted to kill the kids so she deliberately took medication because she wanted to get the side effects and induce a worse mental state so she could then kill the kids and blame the medication.

People are twisting themselves into knots trying to come up with all sorts because they don't buy the insanity defence, and the things they are coming up with are even more insane than 'insanity.

I’ve been following it a bit. He was apparently meeting up with his new GF now wife before the DC died. He just kept abandoning Lindsay knowing what she was going through with her MH issues. It’s horrible actually. He has a new baby with his new wife. I don’t know what to think. He was very unsupportive let’s say and left her alone to struggle on with her DC whilst coping with severe MH issues. It’s just all very sad

Lindsay is on medication which is why she looks so vacant in the court room apparently. Her ex DH comes across as quite cold and emotional less. Who knows how this will unfold

It seems obvious to me that she had a psychotic break. But they have to go through this trial and can’t just make a finding without it.

We had a similar case in Ireland and both the prosecution and the defence agreed that she was insane at the time. They still went through with a trial but as I said the prosecution were in agreement with the defence.

In the Clancy case the commonwealth are very much fighting the insanity defence and I don't think they are going to bring any experts who agree that she was insane. I believe they technically could if they wanted to but the ways the law are written make it a lot more complicated in Massachusetts to do something like that. But as I said they are definitely pushing murder one, and don't appear to just be going through the motions in order to make a formal finding.

Also a grand jury decided before the trial that this should be tested at trial.

I personally think it's awful and it's clear she had a psychotic break and the case is desperately sad.

I haven’t been watching but just reading briefly online. What you’ve written makes sense. I don’t imagine many prosecutors in the US do ever just go through the motions hoping to lose a case.

It’s just so terribly tragic.

Are you insinuating something by the .......?

Is their proof of the date he moved in with his now wife? And even if this is true what is the relevance? He's not on trial for not being a good husband

With some of the evidence it is not difficult to understand some of the more logical 'conspiracy' theories. There are clearly some discrepancies and incidents that happened where questions need to be asked.
I really don't know. I think the investigators followed a theory and built the evidence to fit it. I found Patrick's demeanour in the witness box uncomfortable. Very little emotion other than deep breaths. He may have had some coaching but practicing responses is just that, not reality.
The defence attorney has started to point out the inconsistencies and challenge the care. I think this trial is going to become more interesting with many more twists and turns.

I heard a lot about it at the time. The thing that I found dubious IIRC is around her suicide attempt.

I know lots of people think she planned too much to have had PPP or even severe PPD, but I know that someone can have an overall "delusion" (like aliens are coming to steal my babies) and make very reasonable and rational attempts to protect their baby from an alien abduction which includes complex planning.