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We cannot board a flight with 100ml+ liquid and a rub down - despite being innocent. Sikhs should not be allowed to carry knives for the same reason.

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Ndd1356387 · Yesterday 18:48

We are all generally good - right?. And yet we all have to go through security checks at the airport. Despite the fact we are all generally good. But we cannot carry 150ml liquid on a flight. I get that and appreciate it and respect it. Sikhs now must respect that they all cannot carry knives. Surely ?
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JHound · Yesterday 20:17

Emilesgran · Yesterday 20:16

They may not have known the name, and/or they may have assumed that it was a symbolic thing, not an actual knife. A bit like yourself assuming that it was only a tiny thing.

I knew there was a "ceremonial dagger" but I certainly didn't think kids would be allowed to take a sharp blade capable of doing serious harm into school. So I assumed it was some sort of symbolic version of the knife. I think that's a reasonable assumption to make. Why would anyone assume that even school pupils will never misuse actual blades? Teens do stupid things. Are teenage Sikhs genetically different?

And the contradiction is that you're surprised that people don't know what you know, but that your own level of very partial knowledge is "unsurprising". I suppose it's that thing of everyone thinking that they're of above average intelligence.

No - I am not talking about that. I am talking about people who had never heard of kirpans or this exemption full stop. That has surprised me.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 20:18

JHound · Yesterday 20:17

No - I am not talking about that. I am talking about people who had never heard of kirpans or this exemption full stop. That has surprised me.

Again why?

JHound · Yesterday 20:19

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 19:27

Astonished? Really? That's interesting. Why would you expect that the majority of British people knew about the kirpan exemption before the tragic news regarding Henry Nowak?

Because I thought it was common knowledge, but then I guess it does depend where you were raised.

Emilesgran · Yesterday 20:24

JHound · Yesterday 20:17

No - I am not talking about that. I am talking about people who had never heard of kirpans or this exemption full stop. That has surprised me.

I guess if you don't know any Sikhs, why would you? Like I said, there were several Sikh families when I was growing up so I knew vaguely of the wooden comb etc - but I had never seen anyone carrying a knife, never mind a teenager.

I read an article where someone said that the younger generation of Sikhs is very different and far more militant than previous generations, and that expecting them to be as peaceable as their fathers is a mistake. Although TBF there has been Sikh terrorism in the past - they murdered Indira Ghandi, and there have been attacks in Canada too IIRC.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 20:24

JHound · Yesterday 20:19

Because I thought it was common knowledge, but then I guess it does depend where you were raised.

If you lived in the punjab region of the indian subcontinent then I could understand your astonishment.

JHound · Yesterday 20:53

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 20:24

If you lived in the punjab region of the indian subcontinent then I could understand your astonishment.

Nope. The UK.

Ipsevenenabibas · Yesterday 21:01

JHound · Yesterday 20:53

Nope. The UK.

I gathered that.

prh47bridge · Today 08:44

Just to be clear, there is no specific exemption for kirpans. The exemption is for knives worn for religious reasons or as part of a national costume, hence why Scotsmen wearing traditional Highland dress can have a dagger (a sgian-dubh) in their stocking. Note that most Sikhs wear a small knife hidden from view. Some are members of an order called the Nihang who traditionally wear a second knife that is fully visible. Digwa, Nowak's killer, observed that tradition, but his father and brother did not.

The amount of knife crime committed by Sikhs is vanishingly small. Knife crime by any ethnic group using knives worn for religious purposes or as part of a national costume is pretty much non-existent, which is, perhaps, part of the reason we have heard so much about this case. The vast majority of murders in the UK get little or no coverage in the national press.

We will never know if banning knives would have made any difference in this case. Given Digwa's obsession with weapons, he may have carried a knife anyway, even if it was illegal. Almost all knife crime is committed using hidden knives being carried illegally. Maybe we should stop knives being worn for religious reasons or as part of national costumes, but I would be wary of a knee jerk reaction to this particular case.

Also, I'm not sure why OP is comparing what she is allowed to take onto a flight with what people are allowed to carry in public generally. There is no restriction on the amount of liquid you can carry in public. Indeed, at Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Bristol and Edinburgh airports you can board a flight with a container carrying up to 2 litres of liquid. You are not allowed to take any knife onto a flight at any airport for any reason.

Cailleach1 · Today 09:08

‘ You are not allowed to take any knife onto a flight at any airport for any reason.’

Well, that is good to know. Phew!

I now have a bizarre image in my head. West Side Story type of one gang wearing Highland dress, and the other dressed up as Sikhs All to avoid knife laws, and to enable them to legally carry their knives. Now that everyone has gotten wind of the exemptions.

I wonder if you could just wear the socks, with the hidden knife tucked in. ‘My kilt’s in the wash, officer’.

No disrespect to either in real life. Criminals use false identities all the time to carry out crimes.

And, of course, despite the law, there is no shortage of people/thugs/gang members using knives to attack and kill others.

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