Scientology Mums feeding babies "toxic" mixture - scary stuff indeed!!

[theAfkaUrbanDryad]

here's the story and here's another forum talking about it.

Honey and barley water for newborns - nice

(although i'm fairly sure Katie Holmes is breastfeeding - no thetans for her!!!)

My HV told me that (breast) feeding DD to sleep (which I did until she was weaned at 12 months) would cause tooth decay. I ignored her advice (she was a 'rod for your own back' type).

That "milk" is well

its not just bottles that are bad for teeth its also the cups with valves in too.

there is a MNer who is a dentist (think it was ComeOVeneer) who did a really good post sometime back about why breastfeeding couldn't cause tooth decay, and i think it had something to do with the sugars in breastmilk, and the way that infants suckle at the breast. no time to do a search on it now - will look later.

i've always wondered why scientology bashing is so socially accepted. is it only because it is a modern religion or is there more to it?
i mean if you look at the teachings are they any worse than other religions?

well, maybe not theBOd, but advocating potentially lethal, toothrotting, nutritionally inadequate 'formula' is deserving of being challenged, regardless of what religion is touting it.

oh no i'm not doubting that, i completely agree with everyone who has spoken against the formula.
i'm more talking about the acceptance of off hand terms like "weirdo/crazy etc" when referring to any scientologist or their beliefs.
it seems as though it is fine to bash scientology and all connected with it but if someone were to berate all muslims/jews and their beliefs in the same way you would be labelled as a bigotted xenophobe.
99% of major religions have absolutely ludicrous and potentially dangerous teachings which do not come in for the same criticism and if criticism is levelled at them it is quickly dismissed because we have freedom of religion etc.

i agree in part, although i am sure if you search on here there have been criticisms of all the main religions... perhaps not in the same terms, but criticism nonetheless

I'm a Catholic and have taken many blows to the chin on account of my religion but so far as I'm aware nobody's yet accused the Pope of recommending his own formula. ;)

You do have a point, Bod. I would assume at least part of it is that (a) nobody in Britain knows any Scientologists IRL; it's hard to be scathing about Jewish/Hindu/Christian beliefs when half of your friends and colleagues are Jewish/Hindu/Christian, and (b) many of the loonier tenets of older religions are no longer practised. Not even the most devout Christian or Jew believes you are entitled to kill anyone who falls off your roof, as is in the Bible.

well, I've been called a wierdo and worse for my beliefs, and if people want to call me out on a religiously backed practice that is potential lethal to my children, they're very welcome to do so.

im sorry kay are you a scientologist(sp) and its not a religion it was some freak who made the rules up. It is a cult not a religion

MM - Kay is Christian, and i think what she's trying to say is that if she practiced a religion which recommended lethal "formula" to her children, then you'd be welcome to criticise her and her beliefs.

i think, anyway - not wanting to put words in your mouth, of course Kay!!

As to why people tend dismiss Scientologists as "loonies" and don't do that the more major religions, well for starters Scientology was invented in the 1960's by L.Ron Hubbard, who was a science fiction writer. Not many of the world's major religions can say that!! Also, as Mehdismummy said, it's not a religion, it's a cult, but it's a celebrity-endorsed cult, which makes in even more dangerous.

A lot of people do dismiss them as "loonies" and it's very short-sighted IMO. They are not "loonies" they are very clever entrepreneurs. Scientology is essentially a money-making enterprise, and what's more, they're a tax-exempt money-making enterprise. Which means that you - as the taxpayer - are essentially funding them.

I bet Alan Sugar wishes he had thought of that - hell of a lot easier than a stupid computer business!!

"Not even the most devout Christian or Jew believes you are entitled to kill anyone who falls off your roof, as is in the Bible""

but this is the thing, if it is in the bible and you call yourself catholic then surely you should be subjected to just as much ridicule because the bible is the bedrock of your faith. either that or surely you should be mocked for picking and choosing the parts of your religion you choose to agreeith and believe in. however this doesn't happen, people just accept that all other religions have ridiculous,contradictory and dangerous teachings but this is ok because nobody follows these.

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and its not a religion it was some freak who made the rules up"

and what are all other religions? i mean without faith all religions are just this. i have a christian belief system but any atheist can just ridicule me for believing in a zombie carpenter from 2,000 years ago who was the son of a god(who also created the earthe in 7 days and created a human race that could be tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake.)

theBOD - i can't speak for anyone else, really, but for me it's not the religion part of i have a problem with. anyone can believe what they like as far as i'm concerned, i really couldn't care less!!

but the Co$'s policy of disconnection, its bizarre attitude towards women and childbirth (and childcare as well, as this "formula" shows), and the fact that it's essentially a tax-exempt, multinational, corporation worries me. Why should I be funding the Co$ to peddle its wares in this country, forcing families apart, and spreading untruths and dangerous information about childcare and pregnancy?

Yes I know other religions are tax-exempt, and that's not right either, but they - at least on the surface of it - are happy to be investigated and challenged. Historically, those who have questioned the Co$ have been silenced in one way or the other.

This is not like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Sikhism or any of the world's other major religions.

thebod but this guy was a science fiction writer who made these rules up to suit his own ego. Other religions are not even in the same bracket as this cult. And yes i use the word cult because it is. Nowhere in the bible or the koran does it give such reading as women cant scream during labour. They cant hold their baby for the first few days etc etc. In fact the koran celebrates the woman as a mother. Ron hubbard does not ask his followers to believe in god (or a name for god) which incidentally all other religions do. He was a crazy self absorbed fuckwit who prayed on the poor innocent lonely. Jesus helped these people. I really dont understand how you can compare the two.

UrbanDryad paraphrases me accurately

As far as I'm concerned, if you want to critique my beliefs, you are free to do so - if you want to mock, go for your life. Any faith that can't take genuine questions or even cope under the pressure of a bit of mockery thoroughly deserves the oppobrium it receives.

There are many, many people who used to follow some form of Christianity and no longer do so and have free-rein to criticise and mock it. Even the antiquated blasphemy laws are now defunct. Ex-scientologists who criticise and mock tend to find themselves on the sharp end of litigation.

By ninedragons on Tue 13-May-08 15:36:48
You do have a point, Bod. I would assume at least part of it is that (a) nobody in Britain knows any Scientologists IRL;

I have a very close friend who is a scientologist. She has 2 healthy, bright and happy children, did not give birth in silence and breastfed both her children for over a year.

In fact there is a scientolgy church in the next town to me so I imagine there are a few around here.

I have spoken to my friend about scientology (initiated by me out of my curiousity) she has certainly never preached anything to me. IMO Scientology has it's faults as do most religions and there are some that take it to the extreme (again like most religions) but i think hysteria surrounds a ot of what is read about scientology.

I do not for one moment think that barley formula or whatever should be advoated but I am interested in fatually how many scientologits actually have ever used or considered using this as surely we would have read about malnoursihed and dying scientologist babies from the press well before now?

Cupcakes - here is a good site, as is enturbulation.org and xenu.net

Perhaps you could ask your friend about the Co$ policy of "disconnection", the Sea.org and the "Fair Game" policy? I'd be very interested to find out what she has to say about it - I've not yet hear a Scientologist speak out to defend these policies.

Copy pasta from enturbulation.org wrt the current policy on infant feeding:

"In a very real sense it does not matter if it's not "current policy". Hubbard wrote it and meant it and didn't "cancel" it, thus it is "source" and always valid according to scientologists. Once anything he has written is called into question then all of it is called into question. They can't pick and choose which bits they believe as that undermines the whole thing."

"Nowhere in the bible or the koran does it give such reading as women cant scream during labour. They cant hold their baby for the first few days etc etc"

do you really think that silent birth is that much more sexist or humilitating than christian rituals?
one of the main reasons that i as a man no longer consider myself christian is the forced "churching" of my aunties for the sin of giving birth to her children.

What is churching?

My family thinks all religion is bollocks so I am not really au fait with the terminology.

Slightly different but I saw this the other day whilst shopping. Good or bad? I just assumed newborns should be exclusively breastfed and although I suppose this is designed for colic I can't see how fennel, aniseed, caraway and camomile are going to be that beneficial to a newborns stomach. Or am I overreacting?

some people swear by it to help for colic. I dont think its meant to be instead of bm but as well as. I was lucky ds never got colic but my mil use to make something up called teesan which had different things in like aniseed fennel etc she used it and it was very calming also good for upset tummys. Thebod what are you going on about? What is churching?