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Sara’s killer dad fighting for his life after being attacked by other prisoners

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iwishihadaname · 02/01/2025 22:34

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14245311/Sara-Sharifs-killer-father-neck-slashed-tuna-lid-prison-attack-fighting-life.html

OP posts:
Glasgow1996 · 03/01/2025 01:05

Fabulous news to start the year finally getting the bastard what he deserves what he done to that pour we girl I hope he burns in hell and this happens everyday of his life

Oldenpeculiar · 03/01/2025 01:06

StormingNorman · 03/01/2025 00:05

I wish I could be happy at him getting a beating but it makes me feel as sick as hearing about anyone being hurt.

There is a sense of justice to it though - treat others as you would be treated.

There is a sense of justice to it though - treat others as you would be treated.

I think it's this feeling that I struggle with, he inflicted such pain and suffering on a little girl he was supposed to love and protect, and it didn't stop until she was dead.
You can lock someone up forever and throw away the key, but they will never experience the pain and suffering they inflicted on someone else , he has now had a small insight into what that's like, the fear, the pain, and when he's back in prison from hospital, the fear that it will happen again, and again, and again. Although I know it's wrong to want that to happen in a civilised society, I'm not sorry it did and he got to experience a small taste of what he inflicted.
Because being civilised about it doesn't seem like it's enough for what happened to that little girl and the fact it was so uncivilised.

And as I said in a pp, if you commit crimes like that then you're going to be locked up with criminals who have an equally poor sense of judgement, little respect for life, and no impulse control, it's always going to be a risk among those groups, because it's the nature of the beast, no matter how careful guards are.

Wtafdidido · 03/01/2025 01:09

I hope this is just the first of many reprisal attacks and that he suffers immensely and lives every second in fear. I hope these attacks are regular and brutal and painful but that he survives them all and lives long enough to suffer in fear and pain for the full term of his inadequate sentence. May prison be the hell in which he rots

Thebellofstclements · 03/01/2025 01:10

scorcio5 · 02/01/2025 23:52

👏👏👏👏👏 wonder if there is any way of getting in touch with the prisoners who attacked this cunt as i would most like to shake them by the hand and buy them a pint

Likely to be someone of Wayne Couzens' ilk, a violent and thoroughly bad man, someone with nothing to lose by being given extra time.

MabelMora · 03/01/2025 01:14

Clafoutie · 03/01/2025 00:03

Brilliantly and courageously put, I agree completely. Having people say things like ‘this made my day’ etc just leaves an empty, bleak feeling.

As empty and bleak as when you read what that poor child went through?

ToWhitToWhoo · 03/01/2025 01:15

Can't find much sympathy for him as an individual.

Still, the level of uncontrolled violence in our prisons is worrying.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 03/01/2025 01:19

I wanted to write something but I don't think even a "So what" and "I am sure it hurt" won't even be the words that wicked man deserves. He is beneath any words at all. The lowest of them all.

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 01:24

I didn't know what FAFO meant, thanks for the explanation. I'm also not bothered if this bastard dies either.

jelabi · 03/01/2025 01:27

Good, he deserves it.

twilightermummy · 03/01/2025 01:32

After hearing the judge describe what that animal did, I'd do it myself given half the chance.
Great start to the new year. Some criminals never seem to get their commupance.

Sorry just editing to say, that I am being unfair on animals there. I honestly can't think of a low enough term that is worthy.

PeppyGreenFinch · 03/01/2025 01:34

theallotmentqueen · 02/01/2025 23:59

Completely agree.

What he did wasn’t human, but that doesn’t mean we should celebrate violence. If we condone that kind of violence and celebrate it as I see so many people do here, we help to create a society in which this kind of thing can happen again. Because we create a society where violent thoughts and actions are celebrated and normalized. We create a culture where violence is validated as a legitimate form of justice, and cruelty and brutality is never a tool we should use or condone because we are not psychopaths or animals.

Likewise, I’m an SA survivor and feel absolutely furious when I see people wish for rapists to be raped themselves in a kind of ‘karmic justice’. In fact, some people seem to view it as a justifiable, moral act. It physically repels me. Because it makes rape a heroic act, where in reality, rape should never ever happen. To anyone. Ever, including to rapists, because as a society we are better than that. We do not torture others, even when they ‘deserve’ it because that means that we are still committing acts of torture.

We shouldn’t condone his murder or torture not because he doesn’t ‘deserve’ it but because we are not psychopaths like him. We shouldn’t take pleasure in imagining another persons pain because it takes us that one step closer to him, and we want to be as far away as possible from that way of thinking. I am disgusted and sickened by him, and I personally don’t want to be anything like him.

obviously we should never forgive him, this isn’t a ‘oooh let him off the hook’. He’s a torturer and murderer. But I personally don’t wish him pain because I do not want to be the kind of person who enjoys the infliction of pain onto others. I do not want to be the kind of person who makes light of pain being inflicted onto others. Because from my own experience, the person who assaulted me made light of my pain and enjoyed my pain, and I do not want to be anything like that person.

Furthermore, I agree with your point about the prison system. Just because we find Sara’s killer repulsive doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be sickened by a system that allows a human being’s throat to be slit. That is fucking horrible. The men who slit his throat aren’t ‘heroes’ they’re sadistic torturers and it’s frankly disturbing that they could do that to another person.

I agree. I find threads are like these where people compete to be the most angry quite bizarre.

Also, the best punishment for the murderer is a long incarceration. Why shorten that by potentially giving him an easy out by killing him.

EmmaSmiff · 03/01/2025 01:37

The other prisoners were legally punishing him when he he slipped and fell several times onto the tuna can lid. The tuna was in brine, and the salty brine stung his his face and eyes which is why he repeatedly slipped onto the lid, and accidentally ran into their fists whilst they were helping him up.

PinkCandles · 03/01/2025 01:42

Probably already mentioned but ITV news says he didn't need to be taken to hospital so not that serious unfortunately

ThatBliddyWoman · 03/01/2025 01:42

He abused someone vulnerable (i.e. a female and a child).

The shoe was on the other foot.

I am a therapist. I am empathic. I care about people.

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this man.I will not call him a monster-I actually think that's damaging in itself. These people aren't 'monsters'. They're humans. Humans do things like this and it needs to stop. I am glad that the men who did this to him have the backs of females and children. Of course they may have done terrible things themselves, but as someone who has counselled prisoners, generally speaking, harming females and/or children gets you ostracised at best in prison. And I am not worried about that. I see it as progressive and a good thing. Shoot me.

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 01:46

Clafoutie · 03/01/2025 00:03

Brilliantly and courageously put, I agree completely. Having people say things like ‘this made my day’ etc just leaves an empty, bleak feeling.

Oh give over, the OP you are quoting has obviously had some terrible things happen to them, and I applaud their compassion of perpetrators, but don't think that the general population aren't pissed off about a case like this, and don't be so shocked that some of us are pleased that this fucker has been hurt.

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 01:50

MabelMora · 03/01/2025 01:14

As empty and bleak as when you read what that poor child went through?

It’s not about feeling less empty/bleak about that poor child’s torture and murder, it’s about not equating brutalization and torture with justice.

eg my sexual assaulter being assaulted would not give me any feeling of justice and it wouldn’t make me happy. The person who sexually assaulted my assaulter wouldn’t be a ‘hero’ in my eyes or ‘exacting justice’. They’d also be a rapist.

Basically I don’t want to live in a society where violence and cruelty is celebrated in any form. I want perpetrators to spend their time in prison and stay away from the rest of society. I don’t think that brutal torture is a way forward in terms of justice.

The painful truth is that there will never be justice for Sara Sharif, because any form of ‘justice’ doesn’t undo the torture inflicted upon her or her murder. Urfan Sharif being tortured doesn’t undo her years of suffering and pain. Torturing Urfan in this co text is literally pointless. If it’s pointless violence then it’s gratuitous- torture for a sense of satisfaction and enjoyment. Is this something we want to encourage as a society?The only thing we can do is to try to ensure that Urfan can never harm another person like that again, and to create a society where no child is hurt like that again.

So: how do we make sure that Urfan never harms someone again? it makes sense for prison as a punishment because he’s frankly psychopathic to inflict that level of pain and distress onto a child. We can’t have someone like that in society. We can’t have someone like that interacting with children or vulnerable people, therefore he can’t be allowed back into society. Plus, prison is a punishment, which is necessary.

Onto my second point: how to stop something like this from happening again. As satisfying as I grant you it would be, we can’t allow Urfan sharif to be tortured because we are civilized people and shouldn’t condone torture and brutalisation. We shouldn’t take pleasure in torture or allow it to happen because we are not like Urfan Sharif. Violent impulses which drove Urfan to kill and maim- pleasure in inflicting pain, a belief that torture and pain is ‘justified’ if you are in the right- should not drive us.

if we say, ‘violent torture is acceptable when the person being tortured is bad’, we are still sending the message to people that torture is ok, good- even to be celebrated. Yes the bastard deserves what he did to Sara a thousand times over, but we shouldn’t allow it to happen because we don’t want to celebrate violence, because celebrating violence normalizes violence and means it is more likely to happen again.

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 01:58

To clarify: I’m not crying my eyes out over the thought of Urfan Sharif being beaten up. Frankly I think he’s a piece of shit and I am horrified by him. But also I’m not happy about the celebration of his torture because frankly I find any kind of enjoyment of torture quite disturbing.

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 01:59

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 01:58

To clarify: I’m not crying my eyes out over the thought of Urfan Sharif being beaten up. Frankly I think he’s a piece of shit and I am horrified by him. But also I’m not happy about the celebration of his torture because frankly I find any kind of enjoyment of torture quite disturbing.

Edited

He wasn't tortured. He was attacked. There is a difference.

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 02:01

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 01:59

He wasn't tortured. He was attacked. There is a difference.

might be a difference in how we define terms? I define an attack as a form of torture not only because of the physical pain involved but also because of the psychological repercussions which is a form of torture in itself (remembering the attack). Is how we define terms really relevant in this context anyway?

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 02:04

You need to choose your words more carefully. He wasn't subjected to a period of threat or damage over hours and hours. He was attacked by a group of prisoners, and whilst I haven't read the article yet, the guards probably intervened -too- very quickly. Totally different to being tortured, it would've been over in seconds probably.

blueshoes · 03/01/2025 02:05

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 01:50

It’s not about feeling less empty/bleak about that poor child’s torture and murder, it’s about not equating brutalization and torture with justice.

eg my sexual assaulter being assaulted would not give me any feeling of justice and it wouldn’t make me happy. The person who sexually assaulted my assaulter wouldn’t be a ‘hero’ in my eyes or ‘exacting justice’. They’d also be a rapist.

Basically I don’t want to live in a society where violence and cruelty is celebrated in any form. I want perpetrators to spend their time in prison and stay away from the rest of society. I don’t think that brutal torture is a way forward in terms of justice.

The painful truth is that there will never be justice for Sara Sharif, because any form of ‘justice’ doesn’t undo the torture inflicted upon her or her murder. Urfan Sharif being tortured doesn’t undo her years of suffering and pain. Torturing Urfan in this co text is literally pointless. If it’s pointless violence then it’s gratuitous- torture for a sense of satisfaction and enjoyment. Is this something we want to encourage as a society?The only thing we can do is to try to ensure that Urfan can never harm another person like that again, and to create a society where no child is hurt like that again.

So: how do we make sure that Urfan never harms someone again? it makes sense for prison as a punishment because he’s frankly psychopathic to inflict that level of pain and distress onto a child. We can’t have someone like that in society. We can’t have someone like that interacting with children or vulnerable people, therefore he can’t be allowed back into society. Plus, prison is a punishment, which is necessary.

Onto my second point: how to stop something like this from happening again. As satisfying as I grant you it would be, we can’t allow Urfan sharif to be tortured because we are civilized people and shouldn’t condone torture and brutalisation. We shouldn’t take pleasure in torture or allow it to happen because we are not like Urfan Sharif. Violent impulses which drove Urfan to kill and maim- pleasure in inflicting pain, a belief that torture and pain is ‘justified’ if you are in the right- should not drive us.

if we say, ‘violent torture is acceptable when the person being tortured is bad’, we are still sending the message to people that torture is ok, good- even to be celebrated. Yes the bastard deserves what he did to Sara a thousand times over, but we shouldn’t allow it to happen because we don’t want to celebrate violence, because celebrating violence normalizes violence and means it is more likely to happen again.

Nobody is allowing anything. This thing that happened has happened and he is getting medical treatment. Society is not an animal like him.

We all cope in our own ways. You are free to have your own high morals and beliefs but you do not police people's thoughts.

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 02:11

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 02:04

You need to choose your words more carefully. He wasn't subjected to a period of threat or damage over hours and hours. He was attacked by a group of prisoners, and whilst I haven't read the article yet, the guards probably intervened -too- very quickly. Totally different to being tortured, it would've been over in seconds probably.

Oh and I'm not bothered if that fucker has a few sleepless nights either.

blueshoes · 03/01/2025 02:15

theallotmentqueen · 03/01/2025 02:01

might be a difference in how we define terms? I define an attack as a form of torture not only because of the physical pain involved but also because of the psychological repercussions which is a form of torture in itself (remembering the attack). Is how we define terms really relevant in this context anyway?

Yes it is relevant. Not one isolated attack. Months and years of torture. Worse than Victoria Climbie, Peter Connelly and Star Hobson.

Taken from the High Court judgement of Williams J:

"Sara Sharif was born on 11th of January 2013. We now know she was murdered by her father and step-mother and died on 8th August 2023; the cumulative effects of sadistic torture in which she sustained multiple injuries eventually overwhelming her. Rest in Peace. Her father has now been sentenced to 40 years in prison for her murder; her stepmother to 33 years for her murder and her paternal uncle to 16 years for causing or allowing her death. The sentencing remarks of Mr Justice Cavanagh on 17th December 2024 made horribly clear the appalling brutality she had been subjected to by her father and step-mother over the months and years preceding her death. Even having regard to other notorious murders of children by their supposed carers – Victoria Climbie, Peter Connelly, Star Hobson – the violence and cruelty Sara was subjected to was extreme. The very high sentences imposed no doubt reflect that."

HereForTheAnimals · 03/01/2025 02:24

blueshoes · 03/01/2025 02:15

Yes it is relevant. Not one isolated attack. Months and years of torture. Worse than Victoria Climbie, Peter Connelly and Star Hobson.

Taken from the High Court judgement of Williams J:

"Sara Sharif was born on 11th of January 2013. We now know she was murdered by her father and step-mother and died on 8th August 2023; the cumulative effects of sadistic torture in which she sustained multiple injuries eventually overwhelming her. Rest in Peace. Her father has now been sentenced to 40 years in prison for her murder; her stepmother to 33 years for her murder and her paternal uncle to 16 years for causing or allowing her death. The sentencing remarks of Mr Justice Cavanagh on 17th December 2024 made horribly clear the appalling brutality she had been subjected to by her father and step-mother over the months and years preceding her death. Even having regard to other notorious murders of children by their supposed carers – Victoria Climbie, Peter Connelly, Star Hobson – the violence and cruelty Sara was subjected to was extreme. The very high sentences imposed no doubt reflect that."

@theallotmentqueen and this is why I'd like each of the three perpetrators to die in prison. I wouldn't wish torture, but if someone slits their throat or drops something on their head 🤷

ChristmasCwtch · 03/01/2025 03:27

There’s a shame…said no one.

Hopefully the other two get a similar experience.

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