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‘All black podium’

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BWPodium · 06/08/2024 08:21

In Simone Bile’s interview she said ‘it’s an all black podium for the first time, which is super exciting’

Whats your thoughts on this? Is it ok / positive thing to say? Unneeded? etc

I understand this is a first for woman’s gymnastics and a few years ago the sport was built around what looked like under fed teenagers so brilliant for the sport that it’s opened up to other body types and therefore makes a positive however, what about sports like 100m sprint that has traditionally always been tall African builds, if by any miracle three white men were on the podium, would saying this be acceptable?

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CatrionaBalfour · 06/08/2024 12:08

What is "a black dominated sport"? Do you mean events which black people have succeeded in? Hasn't that been explained many times?

HardyRoseSquid · 06/08/2024 12:13

BWPodium · 06/08/2024 12:07

It has been said on this post that the runners been black have only been around for the last few decades. As long as I have seen the Olympics, it has been a black dominated sport. I am genuinely interested in how this has evolved.

Have you just like… been completely oblivious to the entirety of the 20th century civil rights movement? Is this thread your first time learning about it?

SilenceInside · 06/08/2024 12:14

What do you mean by "runners"?? Sprinting is different to middle distance which is different to long distance and marathon.

There are many cultural factors at play. Also, if you can't figure out why black people did not participate or were very limited in numbers, from the US and the UK, in the early part of the 20th century then you really haven't got much historical awareness at all.

Olympic sport used to be strictly amateur only. You had to be able to fund your lifestyle and training separately to your sports achievements, so if you were wealthy you had a massive advantage.

mackerelabashed · 06/08/2024 12:15

BWPodium · 06/08/2024 08:21

In Simone Bile’s interview she said ‘it’s an all black podium for the first time, which is super exciting’

Whats your thoughts on this? Is it ok / positive thing to say? Unneeded? etc

I understand this is a first for woman’s gymnastics and a few years ago the sport was built around what looked like under fed teenagers so brilliant for the sport that it’s opened up to other body types and therefore makes a positive however, what about sports like 100m sprint that has traditionally always been tall African builds, if by any miracle three white men were on the podium, would saying this be acceptable?

Your racist is leaking!

Bumblebeestiltskin · 06/08/2024 12:17

BWPodium · 06/08/2024 12:07

It has been said on this post that the runners been black have only been around for the last few decades. As long as I have seen the Olympics, it has been a black dominated sport. I am genuinely interested in how this has evolved.

I'm talking about your OP and everything you've posted since. Grim.

PurpleJustice · 06/08/2024 12:17

it's almost harking back to the bad old days when it was really difficult for non-white athletes to have any impact in many sports.

Is this comment serious? The 'bad old days'?! Do you think it's all sunshine and rainbows now then?

FWIW my primary school aged DD was recently called a black bitch, by a white male, while playing her sport.

People on here have no idea what they're talking about. I'm glad DD got to see black excellent displayed on the world stage.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/08/2024 12:18

HardyRoseSquid · 06/08/2024 12:13

Have you just like… been completely oblivious to the entirety of the 20th century civil rights movement? Is this thread your first time learning about it?

It's unbelievable isn't it?

sweetpickle2 · 06/08/2024 12:19

You're not hiding your racist opinions as well as you think you are, OP.

LaughingElderberry · 06/08/2024 12:19

OneCoolPearlOP · 06/08/2024 09:34

And once again, the entire world revolves around Black Vs white - no other skin colour exists.
The Chinese have a strong presence in gymnastics so no, all white not the norm. There are other sports dominated by people from certain countries , not all of them white. I guess they don't count

As @Kendodd said, 'all rich podium'. No we're not talking about the athlete themselves, but their countries' sports funding and programmes.

Fair enough for Simone Biles to be delighted that Team USA is so diverse + won. But unless she's saying that somehow, majority Black countries should prioritise gymnastics.

Then, regardless of their skin colour, all she is really saying is well.... It's Team USA again. No matter their skin colour, they're all American.

Here's a thought experiment. Would it be a good thing, if one country swept all the medals - but the athletes themselves were all Black?

Or, if there were multiple countries, but not all of them with a sizeable Black population. So many poor countries across Asia and South America as well.

For the record I'm South Asian with Black ancestry (grandparent and great grandparent on different sides).

Sports is about money, make no mistakes, but on a global stage like the Olympics where the competitors are actual other African countries it's silly to talk about the US sweeping medals as a symbol of equality and opportunity. For Black Americans maybe but not anybody else.

Agree though r.e. racism, body type etc and I love Simone Biles, she's one of my heroines. I just think If we're talking about equality and opportunity on the world stage, there's a lot more nuance.

Edited

I am not suggesting that the entire world revolves around this element of racial discussion. I responded to the original poster's question, which concerned Black athletes. I am not suggesting that there isn't more nuance to this.

PurpleJustice · 06/08/2024 12:22

CatrionaBalfour · 06/08/2024 12:18

It's unbelievable isn't it?

It's just embarrassing to show themselves up as being so ignorant.

Oh have black people had a difficult time then? I had no idea! <wide eyed innocent face>

Fuck off.

Prawncow · 06/08/2024 12:25

This kind of thread people are always genuine. They’re ‘genuinely interested’ and definitely not shit stirring.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 06/08/2024 12:26

What a cesspit this place has become
shameful

LaughingElderberry · 06/08/2024 12:28

Hiding this now. It's turned into an absolute cesspit of racism and whataboutery.

SummaLuvin · 06/08/2024 12:28

Prawncow · 06/08/2024 12:25

This kind of thread people are always genuine. They’re ‘genuinely interested’ and definitely not shit stirring.

indeed. if the OP is soooo fascinated about why black people excel in athletics then why did she create mumsnet thread about the first gymnastics all black podium instead of using google?

Westfacing · 06/08/2024 12:28

It is an event to be remarked upon - considering the history of women's gymnastics.

Just as with sports like tennis, it would be unusual for there to be two black male Wimbledon finalists; or indeed two working class finalists!

Prawncow · 06/08/2024 12:31

SummaLuvin · 06/08/2024 12:28

indeed. if the OP is soooo fascinated about why black people excel in athletics then why did she create mumsnet thread about the first gymnastics all black podium instead of using google?

Ah, I know this one. Because it’s a ‘discussion forum’ and they ‘want to hear other people’s opinions.’ Genuinely.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/08/2024 12:34

PurpleJustice · 06/08/2024 12:22

It's just embarrassing to show themselves up as being so ignorant.

Oh have black people had a difficult time then? I had no idea! <wide eyed innocent face>

Fuck off.

In a nutshell. I'm finding this exhausting now, I really don't know what else to say.

WickieRoy · 06/08/2024 12:36

Prawncow · 06/08/2024 12:31

Ah, I know this one. Because it’s a ‘discussion forum’ and they ‘want to hear other people’s opinions.’ Genuinely.

And if there's any racism on here it should totally be reported, that's awful, they can't quite believe it, they've never seen any?

ilovesooty · 06/08/2024 12:37

CatrionaBalfour · 06/08/2024 08:41

Simone Biles is a class act. Determined, resilient, hard working, talented. She's been an inspiration for black girls and women. She's noting achievements, reflected on an Olympic podium. Cause for celebration, I would say.

Well said.

ItsMeNotTheProblem · 06/08/2024 12:38

What’s your thoughts on the topic OP?

CurlewKate · 06/08/2024 12:39

@SaintHonoria I'm not prepared to open The Federalist. If you want my comment, please C&P.

BibbleandSqwauk · 06/08/2024 12:45

@C1N1C I thought the whole "let's ignore colour" approach was discredited back in the 80s..well meaning but totally off the mark. As a pp said, the point is to notice, accept and celebrate diversity, acknowledge that PoC have had to overcome (and still are) centuries of direct and indirect racist attitudes and restrictions. If you ignore that, not comment on the fact of three black women on the podium you are ignoring the additional factors they have had to overcome to get there.

Westfacing · 06/08/2024 12:47

ODFOx · 06/08/2024 11:31

"track events are the only affordable sport in which African countries are able to train"

That had honestly never occurred to me. Thank you

I can't imagine how that had never occurred to you!

I expect not many Africans, outside the elite, could have afforded country club fees to learn tennis & golf, or dressage and eventing.

sashh · 06/08/2024 13:17

BWPodium · 06/08/2024 12:03

There has to be more to it then this though as majority or US / UK runners are also black.

No not true, as I said upthread it is sprinters who are normally black due to lung capacity. They also tend to be muscular.

Middle and long distance runners are almost waiflike in comparison.

Just like basketball players tend tall.

C1N1C · 06/08/2024 13:29

BibbleandSqwauk · 06/08/2024 12:45

@C1N1C I thought the whole "let's ignore colour" approach was discredited back in the 80s..well meaning but totally off the mark. As a pp said, the point is to notice, accept and celebrate diversity, acknowledge that PoC have had to overcome (and still are) centuries of direct and indirect racist attitudes and restrictions. If you ignore that, not comment on the fact of three black women on the podium you are ignoring the additional factors they have had to overcome to get there.

This is where I find the irony amusing...
You don't want to see colour, otherwise it is racist, but you want to celebrate diversity, meaning you have to acknowledge 'colour gradients'.