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Gooselady · 31/07/2024 14:19

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:13

Because he continued to engage with the person sending the images for a matter of months, and even after the images of children were included, carried on with this interchange for a further two months during which more were sent, and then persisted his involvement for another period of time; alll in all, around nine months.

What I'm learning is that if you don't report an illegal or potentially illegal image when you see it, you are complicit in the making of the image. I feel like this needs to be taught in schools and for there to be more general awareness?

Paganpentacle · 31/07/2024 14:25

Misthios · 31/07/2024 11:46

Not making excuses for this.

But I do think the term "making images" is widely misunderstood.

Its irrelevant.
Viewing, downloading and sharing of such images perpetuates child sexual abuse.
He needs to have the book thrown at him. He's a Paedophile.

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 14:29

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 13:37

300 odd were legal.
42 were not.

Why on earth so many pictures??

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 31/07/2024 14:34

yes, I'm confused about this too, how can viewing & automatically saving an image be something you get charged for when someone else sent it to you?

Because otherwise you could have loads of men using as a defence "but I didn't ask for it to be sent".

And you can always report it immediately to the police which would hopefully exonerate anyone who genuinely just received a completely unsolicited image.

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 14:41

He was complicit in the very first moment that he decided to keep the first image showing a child being sexually abused, and to keep engaging with the sender. He knows that he should have gone straight to the police with his phone in that first moment - but he chose not to. He’s pleaded guilty because he knew exactly what he was doing.

Agree with @Gooselady regarding his sunglasses. The arrogance of the paedophile.

JaxiiTaxii · 31/07/2024 14:44

"The barrister told the court his client "was not just of good character, but of exceptional character"

🤢 Imagine having to say this utter bollocks because some rich perv is paying you.

Anyone of good character upon receiving 'unsolicited' CSA images would be immediately horrified & go to the police.

A person of good character's first thought wouldn't be 'I'll keep the convo going rather than report it because the supply of my preferred wank fodder is more important than preventing child abuse'.

Boo hoo he feels rotten - yeah, he's been caught allowing the continuation of CSA.
I feel for the kids he allowed to be abused and his poor family.

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 14:47

But he’s not of “exceptional character” because he’s a paedophile. I don’t understand who the barrister thinks he’s fooling.

PiIIock · 31/07/2024 14:51

Its irrelevant.
Viewing, downloading and sharing of such images perpetuates child sexual abuse.
He needs to have the book thrown at him. He's a Paedophile.

Clearly not irrelevant, and you need to read the article linked. According to the chat, he asked the man not to send him images of children. And then deleted the photos/videos.

Still, it doesn't excuse the fact that he failed to report children being abused. And it is weird that he continued on those chat with this other very weird and disturbing character in possession of CSA... But it is important to know that he didn't 'create' the images.

PrincessofWells · 31/07/2024 14:53

JaxiiTaxii · 31/07/2024 14:44

"The barrister told the court his client "was not just of good character, but of exceptional character"

🤢 Imagine having to say this utter bollocks because some rich perv is paying you.

Anyone of good character upon receiving 'unsolicited' CSA images would be immediately horrified & go to the police.

A person of good character's first thought wouldn't be 'I'll keep the convo going rather than report it because the supply of my preferred wank fodder is more important than preventing child abuse'.

Boo hoo he feels rotten - yeah, he's been caught allowing the continuation of CSA.
I feel for the kids he allowed to be abused and his poor family.

Edited

You are confused in your perception of what happened, but I do think this is the risk in the use of pornography. I've viewed some of it in a professional capacity and there are real concerns that some of the videos particularly seem to be using unwilling women/participants. And I suspect some of them have been trafficked and have few life choices.
When you download porn you don't know what is in those images, underage children, rape scenes etc. In my view it's a good enough reason never to watch it or download it.
I suspect most of it will be AI at some point which would be an improvement only in that some poor woman/boy/man/girl are not being forced or abused.
The whole industry is abhorrent and abusive.

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 14:53

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 14:47

But he’s not of “exceptional character” because he’s a paedophile. I don’t understand who the barrister thinks he’s fooling.

Yeah he's clearly not

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 14:55

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 14:53

Yeah he's clearly not

An exceptional character

PrincessofWells · 31/07/2024 14:55

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 14:53

Yeah he's clearly not

Don't ally the barrister with their cause. He's doing his job nothing more.

turkeymuffin · 31/07/2024 14:58

@KeirSpoutsTwaddle what defines an illegal image?

I have a friend who shares naked photos of her toddler. She thinks it's cute but I do find it uncomfortable. Is it actually illegal?

OMGsamesame · 31/07/2024 15:01

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:14

Oh, come on.

What?

Bignanna · 31/07/2024 15:01

I heard that even if unsolicited images are sent to your computer, you can be charged, so if anyone had it in for you, what would you do if sent stuff like that?
It's very sad that a man who had everything, status, brilliant job, wonderful life, family etc should ruin it all. What on earth possessed him?

CormorantStrikesBack · 31/07/2024 15:08

Bignanna · 31/07/2024 15:01

I heard that even if unsolicited images are sent to your computer, you can be charged, so if anyone had it in for you, what would you do if sent stuff like that?
It's very sad that a man who had everything, status, brilliant job, wonderful life, family etc should ruin it all. What on earth possessed him?

Well if someone sent stuff like that to me I’d go straight to the police. I assume you wouldn’t then get charged with anything. He kept quiet and received multiple images..

Bignanna · 31/07/2024 15:09

CormorantStrikesBack · 31/07/2024 15:08

Well if someone sent stuff like that to me I’d go straight to the police. I assume you wouldn’t then get charged with anything. He kept quiet and received multiple images..

What if the police didn’t believe you?

MeinKraft · 31/07/2024 15:10

Lampslights · 31/07/2024 13:16

This is a shocking case, and considering is was children as young as 7 and what it contained, child rape and abuse I find the comments trying to downplay heinous.

no he wasn’t creating the images, but he was receiving , discussing. After receipt etc and from another paedophile. It’s abhorrent and I hope he goes to jail for a long time.

I don't see anyone downplaying it, they're just discussing what actually happened in factual terms. Aren't people allowed to discuss this without a flaming pitchfork in their hands?

BonifaceBonanza · 31/07/2024 15:10

I certainly hope the sender is found and receives a far greater punishment for knowingly sending the imafes, than the person who didn’t request them and specifically asked to only receive legal images.

Newsenmum · 31/07/2024 15:11

This has ruined my
day. So upsetting. Those poor kids. I just can’t.

And yeah. Horrible to think you don’t know someone like that. :(

CormorantStrikesBack · 31/07/2024 15:11

Bignanna · 31/07/2024 15:09

What if the police didn’t believe you?

The facts would back you up. They can see when you were sent something, they will know when you reported it. 🤷‍♀️. They can look at your hard drive to see it’s not an ongoing thing.

Newsenmum · 31/07/2024 15:12

He wrote “no underage” despite keeping them on his phone and having hundreds of very young looking men, so young he couldn’t quite tell. So disgusting.

Why would you keep communicating with someone you knew had kid pics? Unbearable awful.

AlwaysGinPlease · 31/07/2024 15:12

Misthios · 31/07/2024 11:46

Not making excuses for this.

But I do think the term "making images" is widely misunderstood.

Is this what you take from it? Ffs. He's a vile pedophile and you ARE making a comment in his defense.

BonifaceBonanza · 31/07/2024 15:12

CormorantStrikesBack · 31/07/2024 15:08

Well if someone sent stuff like that to me I’d go straight to the police. I assume you wouldn’t then get charged with anything. He kept quiet and received multiple images..

Going straight to the police wouldn’t change the fact that under law as it currently stands you would have committed the crime of making indecent images of children.

The only issue would be whether it was considered in the public interest to prosecute you given that you had voluntarily reported it.

Newsenmum · 31/07/2024 15:13

Are people seriously saying they wouldn’t go to the police? My blood would run cold at even the suggestion. I’d be so upset .