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CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 13:52

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

I hope the other guy is going to get the book thrown at him.

I agree Huw should have reported it and also shouldn't have been messing around sexting much younger men, but this sounds like the blame rests much more with the other man.

Former BBC news presenter Huw Edwards departs the Westminster Magistrates' Court in London, Britain, 31 July 2024

Huw Edwards pleads guilty to making indecent images of children

The former BBC newsreader will be sentenced in September after pleading guilty to three charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 13:54

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 13:43

He could claim he asked for legal images.

And ‘merely’ failed to report the illegal ones.

I think porn desensitises them to the point they just sort of, look away.

Yep. Porn sick men are desensitised to abuse of all sorts.
It's grim. I feel for his wife and children.

mrswhiplington · 31/07/2024 13:56

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 13:37

300 odd were legal.
42 were not.

I still don't understand how it can be legal to have images of children.

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 13:56

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@Longma
@SoulMole

how can someone be charged for making images, if they've just opened a photo on WhatsApp?

Anyone could send you anything, how can you be responsible for what someone else does??

Polarnight · 31/07/2024 13:57

What a fall from grace. From announcement of Queen Elizabeth IIs death to this.

He deserves everything he gets

Misthios · 31/07/2024 13:57

mrswhiplington · 31/07/2024 13:56

I still don't understand how it can be legal to have images of children.

Because the legal ones weren’t children?

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 13:58

I can’t imagine I’m the only person who hopes he receives a prison sentence.

And the word “indecent” (I know it’s a legal term) must be the biggest WTF? euphemism to label images of children being sexually abused.

crumblingschools · 31/07/2024 13:59

The majority of photos would not have been of children (although obviously a lot of porn uses trafficked and vulnerable young adults).

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 13:59

summerdazey · 31/07/2024 12:27

It's not. You download it - you've made it

@summerdazey

i disagree. You might take a photo of your cat & send it to me, my phone automatically saves that to my camera roll.

i haven't 'made' your photo, I've looked at it.

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 14:01

You might disagree @Ponkpinkpink15 but the term “making images” covers a variety of uses of images, legally.

crumblingschools · 31/07/2024 14:01

@Ponkpinkpink15 I do wonder with the advances in technology whether the terminology/crime will change.

But yes someone sending you a photo can put you in a position of committing a crime.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:02

mrswhiplington · 31/07/2024 13:56

I still don't understand how it can be legal to have images of children.

They weren’t images of children. They were adult porn. And among them were 40 images that weren’t. Which stopped being sent when he told the sender, ‘nothing illegal’.

It’s all sleazy. And some of it was criminal.

And it’s important to distinguish between people who abuse small children, those who abuse teens, those who seek out images, and those who receive such images among others and fail to report them to the police.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:04

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 13:59

@summerdazey

i disagree. You might take a photo of your cat & send it to me, my phone automatically saves that to my camera roll.

i haven't 'made' your photo, I've looked at it.

And legally speaking, you’ve ’made an image’ of that cat.

It’s a really important piece of law people need to know about, in an age where people share photos all the time.

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:04

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:02

They weren’t images of children. They were adult porn. And among them were 40 images that weren’t. Which stopped being sent when he told the sender, ‘nothing illegal’.

It’s all sleazy. And some of it was criminal.

And it’s important to distinguish between people who abuse small children, those who abuse teens, those who seek out images, and those who receive such images among others and fail to report them to the police.

You really are keen to minimise the viewing of child sexual abuse.

mrswhiplington · 31/07/2024 14:06

Misthios · 31/07/2024 13:57

Because the legal ones weren’t children?

Right, I understand now.

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 14:07

BonifaceBonanza · 31/07/2024 13:29

Note that this charge of making images applies even if you receive unsolicited images (as he did) and don’t download them or save them (which he apparently didn’t) and even tell the sender not to send you anything illegal.

Im not quite sure how a person avoids a charge if they receive unsolicited images and immediately delete them and tell the sender not to send any illegal images?

Going to the police wouldn’t change the fact that you had still completed actions meeting the definition of “making images”.

@BonifaceBonanza

yes, I'm confused about this too, how can viewing & automatically saving an image be something you get charged for when someone else sent it to you?

Gooselady · 31/07/2024 14:08

FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 13:58

I can’t imagine I’m the only person who hopes he receives a prison sentence.

And the word “indecent” (I know it’s a legal term) must be the biggest WTF? euphemism to label images of children being sexually abused.

I'm not sure the terminology but I wonder if there's a distinction. If a 15 year old boy takes a selfie of himself unclothed then this would be an indecent image of a child, rather than an image of child sexual abuse?

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:09

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:04

You really are keen to minimise the viewing of child sexual abuse.

No. I’m keen people understand.

If you lose language by being sloppy, you stop being able to describe what’s happening.

I want this man prosecuted and scorned for what he did, not for what he didn’t do.

I want the man who sent those images to be prosecuted, and his contacts identified, and the children protected. That’s what matters, not some old white man’s career.

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 14:09

mrswhiplington · 31/07/2024 14:06

Right, I understand now.

@mrswhiplington so how could he have stopped the illegal ones amongst them.

Whilst I think his taste in porn is not my cup of tea, it's legal, so why is he being charged for someone else's decision to send illegal images?

it makes no sense to me.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:12

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 14:09

@mrswhiplington so how could he have stopped the illegal ones amongst them.

Whilst I think his taste in porn is not my cup of tea, it's legal, so why is he being charged for someone else's decision to send illegal images?

it makes no sense to me.

He needed to take the phone straight to the police. And deal with the embarrassment,

In Not taking his phone straight to the police, he potentially allowed children to be abused and groomed for longer.

He could have been part of the solution. But instead became party to the abuse.

It’s in the same kind of terminology as ‘receiving stolen goods’ when you buy cheap steak in a pub car park.

OMGsamesame · 31/07/2024 14:13

KitKatChunki · 31/07/2024 13:38

Urgh, why are men so bloody obsessed with people's genitals they'd risk family and career? What a grim cliché.

I suspect if you've grown up in an environment which tells you that your sexuality is sinful then it could be tough as an adult to distinguish between what is and is not morally wrong.

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:13

Ponkpinkpink15 · 31/07/2024 14:09

@mrswhiplington so how could he have stopped the illegal ones amongst them.

Whilst I think his taste in porn is not my cup of tea, it's legal, so why is he being charged for someone else's decision to send illegal images?

it makes no sense to me.

Because he continued to engage with the person sending the images for a matter of months, and even after the images of children were included, carried on with this interchange for a further two months during which more were sent, and then persisted his involvement for another period of time; alll in all, around nine months.

creamofroses · 31/07/2024 14:14

OMGsamesame · 31/07/2024 14:13

I suspect if you've grown up in an environment which tells you that your sexuality is sinful then it could be tough as an adult to distinguish between what is and is not morally wrong.

Oh, come on.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 31/07/2024 14:18

AlecTrevelyan006 · 31/07/2024 12:51

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/19/police-chief-convicted-for-having-child-sex-abuse-video-on-phone-robyn-williams

A Metropolitan police chief who was sent an unsolicited video of child sexual abuse via WhatsApp has been convicted of possessing indecent images on her phone.
Supt Robyn Williams, 54, was found guilty by a jury at the Old Bailey and potentially faces being sacked after 36 years of distinguished service.

Williams was at a gym class in February 2018 when she was sent the video via WhatsApp on her phone by her sister, who was outraged by its content and wanted the person behind it caught.

Under the law on possessing indecent images, it was for Williams to prove she had a legitimate reason to have it, or that she had not seen the video and did not have reason to believe it was indecent.

I remember this and was saddened on her behalf.
We know what the blokes are up to.

Whithersoever · 31/07/2024 14:18

CassieMaddox · 31/07/2024 13:52

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

I hope the other guy is going to get the book thrown at him.

I agree Huw should have reported it and also shouldn't have been messing around sexting much younger men, but this sounds like the blame rests much more with the other man.

Oh the irony and arrogance of sunglasses being worn - doesn't want his eyes observed, but happy to look at hideous abuse of minors.