Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

News

The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

1000 replies

RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

OP posts:
Thread gallery
9
Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:28

GabriellaMontez · 27/06/2024 12:33

Whatever people get charged with when they've driven into a school? Dangerous driving?

There is no evidence of that. Do you want a charge to be brought knowing that it is totally unsupported by the evidence?

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:29

i think there is also a question of which came first, crash or seizure. Ie Is it not possible that a seizure is the result of impact to drivers head in the crash. I wouldn’t think that is possible to establish (please someone expert say if medically it is, I’m not claiming any knowledge).

Surely it would be possible to establish this? There would be bruising on the driver's head and damage to the windscreen? Would an airbag have prevented this?

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:30

faffadoodledo · 27/06/2024 13:25

@FantasticFork oh she will be tortured. How can you possibly make the assertion that she won't be? Tonic clonic seizures (if that's what she had) can be catastrophic to the person having them. Added to that she has to live with the wider consequences that she killed two children. She'll feel like a ticking bomb for the rest of her life. Horrible.

I really can't believe some of the lack of understanding on here. Epilepsy is horrible. She had no warning or inkling. It's an awful, awful tragedy. It could happen to any of us. Just like a heart attack or stroke at the wheel of a car.

Mate, she not going to be tortured cause it's not her children that were crushed under that car. Enough with the hyperbole, it's not her child that died.

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 13:31

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:30

Mate, she not going to be tortured cause it's not her children that were crushed under that car. Enough with the hyperbole, it's not her child that died.

You wouldn’t feel tortured if you accidentally killed 2 children? That says more about you than anyone else TBF.

Safewater · 27/06/2024 13:31

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 27/06/2024 13:26

I'm saying in this specific, very unusual, case it would be good for the public to see the evidence.

Why? so the public know who this woman is and every vile troll can send her and her family death threats?

And once you make an exception for something being a specific and very unusual case people start baying for other cases to be treated that way. I don't want to live in a country where the judiciary panders to mob rule, thanks. Who gets to decide that, anyway?

Edited

Absolutely. There is a horrible vein of people who are just baying for the driver to be put through a court case. The problem is when children are involved, rationality goes out of the window. Medical emergencies at the wheel aren't uncommon, the fact that children were involved makes no difference.
There is no disputing evidence, the CPS has reviewed the case, what do you think making medical evidence public will achieve? Other than satisfy the needs of a ghoulish few.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:31

And by the way, I DO a have sympathy for epilepsy my brother had it and it seemed to be liked to severe mental health problems resulting in death. I said NOTHING about HER other than it's not her pain to endure. It's not her children that died, with the greatest of respect.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:32

You wouldn’t feel tortured if you accidentally killed 2 children? That says more about you than anyone else TBF.

Nice a hominem. Mature.

It's not the same for her, as someone who blacked out, as it is for the parents. Now get a life and stop picking fights.

Safewater · 27/06/2024 13:32

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:30

Mate, she not going to be tortured cause it's not her children that were crushed under that car. Enough with the hyperbole, it's not her child that died.

Wow. Stone cold.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:33

Yeah, go away.

wayfairer · 27/06/2024 13:34

Some people would absolutely be tortured unfortunately some wouldn't. How do people not understand their are all sorts of people out there! Some people are awful and couldn't care less some actively seem to enjoy hurting others just look at whats happening in Gaza?!

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:34

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:37

Not mean spirited, just frustrated. So many children have lost their lives due to traffic violence. Too many killer drivers get off for all sorts of reasons. I'm suspicious because she'd never had a seizure before and one article said she hasn't since. I think this should be proved in court. Our justice system, and the majority of the police, are very sympathetic to drivers mistakes, no matter how many lives those mistakes cost.

Why don't you believe she had never had a seizure before when there is so much evidence that people have seizures out of the blue all the time, for all sorts of reasons? How do you think this accident happened if that was not the reason, and what is your evidence for it?

Could you prove that you have never had a seizure in your life, bearing in mind that they don't necessarily leave any sort of medical evidence? You would have to bring evidence documenting literally every minute of your life to date. There is a very good reason why it's accepted that you cannot prove a negative.

LordSnot · 27/06/2024 13:34

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:30

Mate, she not going to be tortured cause it's not her children that were crushed under that car. Enough with the hyperbole, it's not her child that died.

You're a psychopath, mate.

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 13:34

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:32

You wouldn’t feel tortured if you accidentally killed 2 children? That says more about you than anyone else TBF.

Nice a hominem. Mature.

It's not the same for her, as someone who blacked out, as it is for the parents. Now get a life and stop picking fights.

No one said it was the same for her as for her parents. You’ve made that up.

Safewater · 27/06/2024 13:34

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:31

And by the way, I DO a have sympathy for epilepsy my brother had it and it seemed to be liked to severe mental health problems resulting in death. I said NOTHING about HER other than it's not her pain to endure. It's not her children that died, with the greatest of respect.

People with epilepsy don't have severe mental health problems? Your replies are just bizarre.

BreatheAndFocus · 27/06/2024 13:35

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:29

i think there is also a question of which came first, crash or seizure. Ie Is it not possible that a seizure is the result of impact to drivers head in the crash. I wouldn’t think that is possible to establish (please someone expert say if medically it is, I’m not claiming any knowledge).

Surely it would be possible to establish this? There would be bruising on the driver's head and damage to the windscreen? Would an airbag have prevented this?

There was no evidence of braking or avoidance steering. Having examined the medical evidence (evidence of the seizure and Type) and the accident itself, it’s been determined that she had a seizure just prior to the accident, causing the fatal journey at speed into a wall.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:35

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:37

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:47

It's the 'hasn't since' bit that worries me. If it's true, prove it in court. Take the deaths of these little ones more seriously.

Why? Are you suggesting that it is impossible for a seizure to be a one off? Evidence?

GasPanic · 27/06/2024 13:40

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:19

People keep saying this.

She probably won't, shes just a random woman, who presumably if she had a seizure can't even recall the crash itself. It was a horrible day, but she's not tortured by it.

It's the parents who will be tortured. They have to temper their child's last moments that way. It stings to see a photo of their child. It punches them in the chest.

Whether someone is likely to be "tortured for the rest of their days" has no bearing on whether a prosecution is undertaken anyway.

A prosecution happens if the CPS thinks there is a realistic chance of convicting someone of a crime and from that whether it is in the public interest to do so.

It's not like there is someone behind a big desk saying, "oh she'll probably feel really guilty so no point going ahead with this".

Some people's ideas of how the system works are really weird.

Safewater · 27/06/2024 13:41

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:37

Why? Are you suggesting that it is impossible for a seizure to be a one off? Evidence?

I would assume the driver has gone on to have other seizures, there has been nothing said to indicate that this was a single seizure. Epilepsy isn't usually diagnosed on a first seizure.
But yes, people often only have a single seizure.

faffadoodledo · 27/06/2024 13:42

@Bikesandbees its entirely possible to have either a one off seizure, or have one and then get successfully medicated and never have one again. The problem for the person who had the seizure is they may never know if it's the meds or good fortune that means they only have one.

God the level of knowledge and empathy on here is stunning

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 13:42

GasPanic · 27/06/2024 13:40

Whether someone is likely to be "tortured for the rest of their days" has no bearing on whether a prosecution is undertaken anyway.

A prosecution happens if the CPS thinks there is a realistic chance of convicting someone of a crime and from that whether it is in the public interest to do so.

It's not like there is someone behind a big desk saying, "oh she'll probably feel really guilty so no point going ahead with this".

Some people's ideas of how the system works are really weird.

Honestly before reading this thread I had no idea that so many people were so completely clueless about how our judicial system works. Especially that people thought you could just override the system because reasons.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 13:44

NewPapaGuinea · 27/06/2024 13:16

Just because it’s law doesn’t mean it’s followed. We’ve all heard about killer drivers being given a slapmon the wrist suspensed sentences for killing someone when the max sentence is many years in prison.

Have you heard about people who have declared epilepsy to the DVLA not having their licence suspended? Unless you have, this is a total irrelevancy.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 13:44

@GasPanic I don't know why you're talking about CPS, of course 'feeling tortured' is not a metric they consider.

I just find it a bit much that people are using that word when really it's watering it down. Feeling guilty is more appropriate. The parents are the ones who feel agony and tortured, for the rest of their lives.

faffadoodledo · 27/06/2024 13:44

You're right @Safewater a single seizure does not necessarily add up to a diagnosis of epilepsy. You'd need a second for that, or other symptoms. However a great many people who have that first whopper don't mess around waiting for a second - they go onto meds which may mask that potential second one. So it's hard to pick apart

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 13:45

faffadoodledo · 27/06/2024 13:42

@Bikesandbees its entirely possible to have either a one off seizure, or have one and then get successfully medicated and never have one again. The problem for the person who had the seizure is they may never know if it's the meds or good fortune that means they only have one.

God the level of knowledge and empathy on here is stunning

All I’m saying is, prove it in court. My empathy lies with the families of those sweet baby girls.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.