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The driver in the Wimbledon school accident won't be charged?

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RiverF · 27/06/2024 06:23

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

It sounds like a unavoidable and unforeseeable medical incident led to the tragedy, but the families wanted justice.

I can't begin to imagine their pain, but this is the right decision?

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau were hit by a Land Rover after the driver suffered an epileptic seizure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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Scruffily · 27/06/2024 12:40

alterego2 · 27/06/2024 10:26

This is what we have been saying at home. How does it take a YEAR to find this information out and draw a conclusion?

Read the thread? This question has been answered a number of times already.

Do you have any idea about how dreadful current backlogs are in the justice system?

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 12:40

Agree with you @Bikesandbees

alterego2 · 27/06/2024 12:42

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 12:40

Read the thread? This question has been answered a number of times already.

Do you have any idea about how dreadful current backlogs are in the justice system?

Read the thread? Have you not seen that I have responded very politely to the person who kindly quoted me and explained to me?

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 12:42

Nobody needs to be hung drawn and quartered but there is a sense that the evidence hasn't been fully tested in court. And we know that driving offences are not taken seriously, and that it's seen as collateral damage - we need our cars so hey, what are we mean to do?

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 12:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/06/2024 10:27

Because the first said she'd "suffered a previously undiagnosed seizure" and the second that "it was the first seizure she had experienced"

The key of course is that the first (?) one didn't lead to a diagnosis, but that doesn't change the fact that she suffered it and that therefore the one which led to the deaths wasn't the first - unless I'm reading it wrong?

I think you are reading it wrong. She had a seizure which was previously undiagnosed, and, having been diagnosed, it's the first seizure she had experienced. The first quote is badly phrased, inasmuch as I suspect they mean she had a seizure having no previous diagnosis suggesting she might be susceptible to seizures, and this was her first seizure.

Hazeby · 27/06/2024 12:43

The absolute blind and unwavering need humans have to blame someone or something! They just can’t accept that sometimes, horrible stuff just happens.

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 12:44

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 12:42

Nobody needs to be hung drawn and quartered but there is a sense that the evidence hasn't been fully tested in court. And we know that driving offences are not taken seriously, and that it's seen as collateral damage - we need our cars so hey, what are we mean to do?

Then you obviously object to every single case that gets referred to the CPS and they make the decision not to prosecute based on evidence that ‘has not been fully tested in court’? Because this happens every single day. It is their job.

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:45

Abitorangelooking · 27/06/2024 12:36

I used to drive a 3.5 tonne light goods vehicle for work on a standard B drivers licence. If you want to change the weight people are allowed to drive, then it'll have a lot of impact. A lot of electric/ hybrid cars are heavy. A polestar will weigh in at about 2 and a half tonnes or is it the shape of a range rover you object to?

The shape is certainly a factor. The high front end means strike zone is the head for children and the torso (major organs) for adults. People are more likely to be pulled under the vehicle if hit, rather than thrown onto the bonnet.

Weight limits for goods vehicles driven by professional drivers wouldn't need to function the same way (although we could definitely introduce more safety features into these vehicles, and ensure drivers are more qualified, subject to regular retesting and harsh penalties for violations).

WifeOfSnore · 27/06/2024 12:45

I'm not saying anything @Bookmark1111 but it's perfectly possible for medical experts to disagree

given it hasn't been tested, I can totally understand the families' frustration

Notacrab · 27/06/2024 12:45

Of course it's the right decision.

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 12:47

Then you obviously object to every single case that gets referred to the CPS and they make the decision not to prosecute based on evidence that ‘has not been fully tested in court’? Because this happens every single day. It is their job.

I'm just agreeing with the sentiment, the paragraph is not needed

alloalloallo · 27/06/2024 12:47

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:37

Not mean spirited, just frustrated. So many children have lost their lives due to traffic violence. Too many killer drivers get off for all sorts of reasons. I'm suspicious because she'd never had a seizure before and one article said she hasn't since. I think this should be proved in court. Our justice system, and the majority of the police, are very sympathetic to drivers mistakes, no matter how many lives those mistakes cost.

My daughter had never had a seizure before until the day she did either. She was 17.

Having been through the diagnosis procedure for epilepsy with my own DD - 1 seizure does not get you a diagnosis of epilepsy. There are several reasons why someone may have a one off seizure or go on to have many seizures so to get a diagnosis of epilepsy means she’s been tested for it and meets the diagnostic criteria

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:47

SoupDragon · 27/06/2024 12:39

You do know that every person with epilepsy has a seizure when they haven't had one before right? That's kind of how it works.

It's the 'hasn't since' bit that worries me. If it's true, prove it in court. Take the deaths of these little ones more seriously.

Sweetvalleyhigh1234 · 27/06/2024 12:47

I don't think the families understand the term justice and of course my heart goes out to them but what exactly do they want from a woman who had an undiagnosed condition that hadn't shown itself before and caused her to become unwell at the wheel.. it could happen to anyone including them if they are drivers. What exactly do they want her charged with?

user1984778379202 · 27/06/2024 12:49

RiverF · 27/06/2024 12:40

Can someone explain the inquest process please?

I fully understand the families would like tonsee the evidence, although clearly there's no possibility of a criminal trial, but won't the evidence have to be presented to the inquest anyway? Do they also have to decide whether it was an accident or not?

Also, for that reason, why doesn't the inquest come before any decision to prosecute? What happens if the corner decides there is a case to answer/it wasn't a blameless accident? Is that possible?

The purpose of an inquest is to establish cause of death. It is not to apportion blame. So it this case it will determine exactly how the girls died and the events leading up to it. Medical evidence on behalf of the driver will be presented, but it's not like a trial where it will be ripped apart.

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 12:49

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:47

It's the 'hasn't since' bit that worries me. If it's true, prove it in court. Take the deaths of these little ones more seriously.

We don’t know that she hasn’t had a seizure since, as her medical records are confidential.
You cannot be diagnosed with epilepsy after one seizure, and she has an epilepsy diagnosis.

Thisisnotmyid · 27/06/2024 12:50

It’s an absolutely heartbreaking situation all round and I’m not sure even if she was given a jail sentence it would feel as proper justice for the poor parents. I don’t know what would.

It could happen to anyone on this thread at any point. Any one of us could have a medical emergency behind the wheel and cause an accident.

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:50

alloalloallo · 27/06/2024 12:47

My daughter had never had a seizure before until the day she did either. She was 17.

Having been through the diagnosis procedure for epilepsy with my own DD - 1 seizure does not get you a diagnosis of epilepsy. There are several reasons why someone may have a one off seizure or go on to have many seizures so to get a diagnosis of epilepsy means she’s been tested for it and meets the diagnostic criteria

I just think this should be proven in court. It needs to be challenged and proven. That's all.

GabriellaMontez · 27/06/2024 12:50

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 12:44

Then you obviously object to every single case that gets referred to the CPS and they make the decision not to prosecute based on evidence that ‘has not been fully tested in court’? Because this happens every single day. It is their job.

Then you obviously think the CPS has never made a mistake.

user1984778379202 · 27/06/2024 12:50

Bikesandbees · 27/06/2024 12:47

It's the 'hasn't since' bit that worries me. If it's true, prove it in court. Take the deaths of these little ones more seriously.

Where's the link to say she hasn't had one since?

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 12:50

FantasticFork · 27/06/2024 12:47

Then you obviously object to every single case that gets referred to the CPS and they make the decision not to prosecute based on evidence that ‘has not been fully tested in court’? Because this happens every single day. It is their job.

I'm just agreeing with the sentiment, the paragraph is not needed

No one’s opinion on an internet chat forum is ‘needed’.

Scruffily · 27/06/2024 12:51

user1984778379202 · 27/06/2024 11:02

It's weird, I agree! The idea that just because she's wealthy she must've paid off all the experts who then lied to the police and CPS – therefore perjuring themselves – on her behalf is proper tin foil hat mentality.

Exactly. As someone upthread has suggested, if the driver had been a woman reliant on her income from driving an Amazon delivery van and represented by a legal aid solicitor, would everyone be looking for all these fanciful plots? Yet the facts of the case and the outcome would be no different.

Youdontevengohere · 27/06/2024 12:51

GabriellaMontez · 27/06/2024 12:50

Then you obviously think the CPS has never made a mistake.

No, I absolutely don’t think that. I also didn’t think the public can read a case in a newspaper and say ‘I think the CPS has made a mistake based on the very limited details I’ve read in the press and therefore this case needs to go to trial’.

Safewater · 27/06/2024 12:51

1 in 25 people will have an unprovoked seizure in their lifetime

That could be any of us.

I have a child with epilepsy and I was dreading the MN comments on this. No, a siezure does not and should not mean you are banned from driving for life. Their are rules in places for this and they will apply to the driver in this case. Anything else is punishing her for having an undiagnosed disability.

The car she was driving isn't relevant and does not make her guilty of any crime.

The parents of the children are understandably devastated, but they don't have the right to the driver's medical records. There is no justice because no one can bring those poor girls back. Castigating someone who will already be devasted and who has also been diagnosed with a life changing illness and in some cases life ending illness (SUDEP) is cruel and pointless.

user1984778379202 · 27/06/2024 12:52

GabriellaMontez · 27/06/2024 12:50

Then you obviously think the CPS has never made a mistake.

So what mistake do you think the CPS has made in deciding this was an accident triggered by the driver suddenly falling ill at the wheel with a previously undiagnosed medical issue?

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