Shannon Matthews Mother arrested !!!!!

[kay1981]

They have arrested her on perverting the course of justice - which i think means lying to the police under oath doesnt it?

Is it at all possible that they knew where she was all the time?

Perhaps cahnnel 4 should now re-show the documentary on shannons family and see how it is received knowing what we know.

its judgemental and ignorant though.

i thought it was all very suspect from the beginning, however whatever happened to the saying innocent till PROVEN guilty.
i have my opinions and you have yours, but the fact remains, that everyday, from all walks of life, rich or poor,educated or not people do horrendous things.
i feel so so sorry for the children, and regardless of the outcome of this case, they are undoubtedly going to suffer.

Ignorant in what way, Divastrop?

because you have no idea why the woman has x amount of kids by x amount of men.

For whom is it a good thing that a woman has lots of babies by lots of different fathers? For her? For the children? For the fathers?

I just don't get why it's judgemental and ignorant to say that's not a good thing.

That's true, I do not know WHY and I am very sympathetic to failed relationships and to lone mothers raising children abandoned by their fathers, truely I am. Do we have to say that eg six children by six fathers is fine, because we don't want to offend anyone? Is that the issue here?

in what way is it not a good thing then?KM aside,if the children are all loved and well looked after then what difference does it make?

By meemar this morning: 'having five different fathers for your kids does not make you a bad mother. Any more than having one father for all your children makes you a good mother. Not treating those children properly is what makes you a bad mother.'

I think this is bang on.

But you can reverse that argument quite easily - who actually is it harming to have babies by different fathers? It is possible to be responsible with such a situation.

It is no good for anyone to sweep a judgement on ALL people who have babies by different people. That is why it is ignorant.

KM is an example of bad situation but there are many others who raise perfectly well adjusted children.

its not a good thing because the oldest child has watched 5 dads come and go, what kind of a childhood is it to go to bed with one dad, and wake up to find a new one has moved in? How can these children feel secure when, for whatever reason the mum has kept some kids and not others, when they form bonds with their new dad only to find him gone and a new one in his place.

Was it ImmaculateConception I just saw on the BBC News, or is there another sister?

nancy75-that may be true in the matthews case,but i was meaning in general.

and thank you policywonk and fridayfeeling

Slightly extreme view - "to go to bed with one dad, and wake up to find a new one has moved in?"

I think the view is really that KM would probably have been the same type of mother whether she had 1 child or 7.

And that is just as true for someone who is married for their whole life and still a shite mum.

do you really thinks its extreme fridayfeeling?, her oldest son is 11/12 and has had (if she has been in relationships with all the fathers) 5 "dads" that one every couple of years

yes nancy, but no relationships come with any guarantees, the children, yes are the ones that suffer, i do not dispute that, but even the most comfortable of us, can never know what is around the corner, and our happy secure life can be shot to pieces, none of us know for sure what has gone on in her life. and imo it is wrong to make sweeping generalizations.

Is everyone to polite to mention money here. The Rod Stewart comparison was a nice on, but the reason why he isn't judges so much is that at least his children will be financially well cared for. And before the bleedin' hearts here say it doesn't matter...it does!!

Bringing more children into a sink estate environment when when you cannot afford to support them (yes assumption, but a pretty safe one).

Why doesn't anyone here mention 'contraception'?

We are all entitled to make mistakes, marriages fail, partners leave - that's why the welfare state is there to catch us when things go wrong...but making the same mistake 5 times and expecting strangers to foot the bill is just not on. We all have a social responsibility even poor people

i dont think she had relationships with all the fathers,2 aren't named on birth certificates acording to link in this thread or the other one from the other day.

i think contaception and the fact she wasnt on benefits(although chocfest buggered off so it hasnt been confirmed)has been mentioned several times.

matildax, it doesnt matter if relationships come with guarantees, you dont have to have a child with every man you meet.

maybe she has an allergy

No, it wasn't me on the tv, that is another one of my sisters. Have now namechanged on here as I have got a great deal of crap for coming on here. Apparently I'm too emotionally involved and shouldn't speak about something that does involve me but am unable to talk about in public. Apparently its sick for me to air my dirty linen on an open forum. Its not like I want to go around and talk about this in the public and this is a safe place, so I thought.

Bleeding heart here - money does not make you well adjusted.

nancy75-but what if you cant see into the future and dont know the relationship is going to end?would anyone really plan to have a child with a man they didnt intend on staying with ?

spot on nancy, especially if you cannot afford them.

Diva, as someone else mentioned, by benefits we mean subsidised housing, tax credits etc. Of course she has benefits due to her large family that others would not.