Chris Kaba

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The police officer who shot Chris Kaba has finally been charged with murder. It took a while after investigations had to be held but I’m glad the CPS decided to charge the anonymous police officer.

Before people start, yes he’d been in jail. Yes, he’d apparently drove towards officers at an attempt to get away. None of this means he deserved to be killed with an immediate head shot. To make matters worse, he wasn’t even the person they were after. They only realised it was someone else after the fact that he was dead.

I hope the family get the justice that they deserve.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-66865099.amp

I think it is rare for a British police officer to kill someone so it must be vanishingly rare for them to be charged with murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom

It shows one this year, which was the elderly woman knocked down by a police motorcyclists.

3 last year, one being Chris Kaba, don't know if either of the others were charged but seems unlikely as we haven't heard anything about it.

2020 was a bad year with 5 deaths, 3 involved knives with 2 of them having stabbed people and one threatening police. 4th was a fight and a gun was found. The fifth was being investigated as man arrived at the police station unconscious.

So shooting people doesn't seem common and the majority seem to have some justification.

Even if you're daft enough to think Police officers should join the Police force expecting people to try and maim or kill them, would it not be likely in the mind of the individual officer that the person trying to maim or kill them is indeed, a criminal and a risk to the public by doing so, but also might be an even bigger risk if they are in a car already implicated in a firearms offence?

It isn't the same. The police were trying to stop a car believed to be involved in gun crime, it was being driven by a man with convictions for violence. He was driving at police officers. Do you expect them to ask him nicely if he would care to have a word but if not he can just carry on regardless? He should have stopped and got out of the car, he shouldn't have aimed a deadly weapon at police officers.

Imagine what those gangs are going to be like when there are no armed police officers to try and apprehend them. God help us all.

Exactly @Iwasafool . Unfortunately we are about to find out.

Why did you feel the need to mention his race? Not one person has mentioned his race on this thread. We’ve all focused on what’s happened based on the information provided to the public so far.

There was no weapon found in the car but okay!

They already do what they want. When they kill someone over drugs they often go to prison, but not always, but spend years before that in a lifestyle of their choosing which is very lucrative to them.

Occasional brief spells in prison or convictions which don't effect them at all since this is the lifestyle they've chosen.

While complaining about Police harassment and a racist society.

And the community they terrorise lives in fear.

Also, If a Police Officer has committed an offence, they should be prosecuted.

One of the main points of information being that he failed to stop when asked several times. A point you seem to be ignoring.
If you don't comply with basic instructions then expect to be shot. The police first and foremost have a duty to protect the public.
What it comes down to is that if the police keep being thrown under the bus, cannot police properly through fear of being called racist then we will just get a lawless society. Seems that's what many want. Until one of their own is hurt by a gang of course.
This thread will likely be removed anyway because it is an ongoing investigation. Shouldn't even really be discussing it on a public forum.

No. But he did previously serve a custodial prison sentence for possession of an imitation firearm and while in the community serving the community portion of that sentence, was found to be driving without insurance and with a knife in the car he was illegally driving. While on probation for illegal firearm offences. So went back to prison for a bit.

But somehow, given all that information available to the Police, and the fact he was driving in a car that was not his and he was driving illegally, and the car had been implicated in a firearms offence the day before AND HE DROVE at Police Officers trying to stop him, they shouldn't have considered his past convictions or current criminal actions at all?

Because that's what you seem to be saying, that his past shouldn't count?. Well it does and it should. And his current actions of driving at Police officers also should and they clearly influenced the decision of the Police officer.

The case against the Police officer will be held in court but even if they're found not guilty people like you will still kick off.

Convicted for firearms offences, in a car linked to armed robbery, drove at the cops, play with fire get burnt.

Over 100 ARU cops refusing to carry arms or attend incidents, because a colleague got charged for doing his job.

Already the crooks are taking advantage.

@BirdBox12 read ALL of my posts before you comment, I’m not ignoring anything. That’ll be my last comment to you.

@Carebearstare12e you don’t need to explain Kaba’s history, I know it inside out for many reasons. You can bring up his history all you like. Attempting to ram the police and get away does not deserve a straight kill shot. You can mention who he is and what he’s done but the fact that he was shot straight in the head is something I don’t understand. As mentioned many times now, I’ll be following the trial to see all of the information that will be provided.

’People like me’ ha what a charmer you are

If he was doing his job then I’m pretty sure the CPS wouldn’t have charged him with murder. Or do the CPS bring charges to anyone and everyone if there isn’t enough evidence to suggest that they’ve done something wrong?

I noticed early in the thread the request to wait for the case before making judgments. Fair enough.

Suella Braverman has chosen not to wait though before commenting and ordering a review.

"If he was doing his job", he was, that's why he was armed, facing a known firearms criminal, it will come to nothing.

You keep bringing up his past when Kaba wasn’t even the person they were after in that very specific moment. Are you forgetting to mention that?

Whether he’s innocent or not for what he’s done during his life, I thought we have laws to ensure people are treated properly and fairly? If not every police officer would be armed just like in America no?

No point going back and forth really! Let’s see what happens when the trial takes place

You keep saying 'deserve'. He didn't 'deserve' a shot to the head.

No-one here is suggesting otherwise. No-one said he deserved it for being a recidivist convicted of firearms offences who had so much disregard for the law and the public that while on probation for firearms offences, when he was supposed to not commit other offences to prove he was rehabilitated and not a risk to the public, he carried on committing crimes including weapons offences. Oh, and he was also domestically violent to a pregnant partner resulting in her taking out a protection order.

But as you said, you are not a firearms officer and all of your Hollywood inspired ideas of shooting out tires or a body shot are completely meaningless.

But your argument seems to be that his history or driving AT the Police should not be taken into consideration when putting ourselves in the shoes of the Police officer involved. While illegally driving in a vehicle implicated in a firearms offence.

And your comparison to George Floyd cements that and demonstrates you have little understanding or regard to what actually happened and were hoping to whip up an anti-Police thread.

Which has backfired.

And even if the Police officer is found not guilty you'll want it to be proof of a 'system' stacked up against a particular violent sector of society.

So yes, I can guess the kind of person you are and the attitudes you have. Otherwise you wouldn't have started the thread saying 'ignore his past or the fact he drove into Police but..'.

Bit odd that you say you 'know his history in and out for many reasons'. If you're a family member or an old GF or the Mother of his child, this isn't where you're going to get unquestionning support.

@Iwasafool meant the CAR was the weapon being aimed at the officer.

I don't know about you, but moving vehicles can become a deadly weapon.

You’ve put so many words in my mouth I’m actually shocked. This is the level of delusion that I aspire to have. Have a great day!

Who can blame them.

emergency-services.news/overwhelming-support-for-armed-met-officers-who-hand-in-their-firearms-tickets/

Maybe you should have continued to read my comments.... I was being ironic to the OPs ridiculous comments, my dh is a police officer (though not armed).

Yes you are spot on the car was the deadly weapon. They kill far more people in the UK than guns do although I think I am safe to assume that most of those aren't deliberate murder.

It's a strange case alright. I remember at the time there were howls of outrage at the shooting, protests etc, then all of a sudden the family decided to take a "step back", presumably having reviewed the bodycam footage, and the story faded away as quick as it started.

So fast forward to now, and it's odd that the officer involved is now - several months later - being charged with murder. But that's one for the CPS.

Suggestions on here that firearms officers should "shoot tyres" are laughable, and frankly dangerous. Have you any idea how incredibly lucky you would have to be to accurately hit a tyre in a split second, impossibly tight angle? No, chances are the bullets will ricochet off an alloy and hit a bystander. Shoot tyres indeed, listen to yourself.

No wonder with such ignorant people around that 100 ARU officers have handed in their weapons card. Who can blame them. Who would want to be a police officer these days, nevermind an armed one?

The upshot of this will of course be that anyone who is a young, black, male will basically be given carte blanche to do as they please. No police officer in their right mind will risk the pile on if they dare try to make an arrest. And who will be the biggest victims of this? Yup, young black males of course. The cruel irony.

And you're acting like it was long distant past. It wasn't.

He came out of prison for firearms offences of a 4 year sentence and was still on probation in August 2020 when he was convicted again of weapons offences and went back to prison for another 5 months.

And was killed in September 2022, 5 months after a domestic violence protection order was taken out against him.

At what point are you suggesting he wasn't the person that did all those things anymore? A month before? A day before?

At the most, he'd not been on probation for the initial firearms offences or the breach and additional offences for a few months or at most a year when he was killed in September 22. And accused of domestic violence less than 6 months before.

He wasn't someone who'd left their past behind decades ago and had proven they weren't involved in that lifestyle anymore. Getting a job, having a successful family, giving back to the community or just quietly being productive.

He was illegally driving a car which had been implicated in a firearms offences and drove it AT Police despite the Police commands to stop.

Suggests that he really hadn't left his past behind at all doesn't it?

So why do you think the Police officer who had someone trying to maim or kill them with a vehi

Sorry pressed post by accident.

Why do you think a Police Officer who had someone trying to maim or kill them with a vehicle, who knew the person had a very recent violent, weapons and firearms history, should have not considered that history in their decision making?