MORE WOMEN COME FORWARD: Russell Brand

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As predicted a wave of women are coming forward. A police investigation has begun. Question for the people who don't believe the women... what will be enough 'evidence' for you?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12529661/More-women-allegations-Russell-Brand-BBC-Channel4-Netflix.html

The Times newspaper has been criticised after publishing a letter from a retired anaesthetist saying “snowflake" female doctors need to "toughen up”.
The letter was sent to the paper in response to a survey which revealed almost one in three female surgeons had been sexually assaulted in the past five years.
Female surgeons reported 11 instances of rape in the study, which was published in the British Journal of Surgery on Tuesday.

Times newspaper condemned over 'abhorrent' letter about NHS sexual assault scandal (yahoo.com)

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So he can make up his own rules around consent, and because it's what he believes it's not 'actual rape'?

Unbelievable.

To add to my message above:

The minimum age was raised to 18 after the passing of the Sexual Offences Act. in 2003, but The Sun carried on with pictures of topless teenagers until 2015 when there was a lot of pressure with petitions to stop this practice.

However, it STILL carried on via the Internet:

When asked for comment at the time, a spokesperson for The Sun said: “Page 3 of The Sun is where it’s always been, between pages 2 and 4, and you can find Lucy from Warwick at Page3.com.”

The paper stopped publishing pictures of topless women online via Page3.com in 2017.

Why was Page 3 banned and who was the youngest model? (entertainmentdaily.co.uk)

I agree with this. I’m surprised mn allow these threads to stand.

Will this get to court? Rape is often hard to prove. Will his lawyer just claim it was 13 years ago and consensual. It's he said v she said. Or is there more?

“No means no”

“Yeah, sorry about that”

I paraphrase, but it doesn’t sound consensual - although the judicial system is set up on a certain way and I’m sure RB has very clever lawyers working on this already. Plus ca change.

@koalaknickers also Hillsborough. But I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here?
I believe that Rupert Murdoch has done more damage to this country and large parts of the world than just about anyone else. Also recently Paul Dacre. That doesn't make RB an innocent victim. What about the reporters from Dispatches? Are they horrible people too.
People used all these arguments when Savile was exposed. The women were all after money, why did no one speak up earlier? It was an open secret etc.
The news about Brand was about as shocking to me as that about Marilyn Manson (not).

elon musk has expressed his opinion.

I'm not sure how the Sun's page 3 is relevant to the credibility of a joint investigation by Dispatches and the Sunday Times. However, your post gives the impression that the Sun broke the law following the passing of the Sexual Offences Act in 2003. They did not. They complied with the minimum age requirement. The Daily Star (which is not a Murdoch newspaper) continued to feature topless teenagers on their page 3 until 2019.

I note that you also post an article about criticism of the Times for publishing a letter from a retired anaesthetist. Personally, I think that they were right to do so as it exposed the culture that appears to exist in at least some parts of the NHS - a view which is supported by most of those quoted in the article. The condemnation of the anaesthetist was wholly justified. The condemnation of the Times, which appears to have come only from the Association of Anaesthetists, was misplaced.

There were posts upthread discussing whether Rupert Murdoch and his papers could be described as good quality journalism. I don't think they are and I gave some evidence of that.

I haven't mentioned RB either way.

I don't know anything about the people at Dispatches, I'm afraid. I haven't said anything about women seeking money either.

Just given some examples of the behaviour of some of the papers under discussion.

It is relevant because Rupert Murdoch and his papers were under discussion. This would include "The Sun".

You are correct I was a little ambiguous earlier. I will therefore make what I posted a bit clearer:

The minimum age was raised to 18 after the passing of the Sexual Offences Act. in 2003 and the practice of using 16 year olds stopped, but "The Sun" carried on with pictures of topless teenagers (aged 17, 18, 19)until 2015 when there was a lot of pressure with petitions to stop this practice.

You have a point about the surgeons, I agree.

The Daily Star (which is not a Murdoch newspaper) continued to feature topless teenagers on their page 3 until 2019.

Yes, they went on for 2 years after "The Sun" stopped their web-based Page 3 girls. I didn't mention "The Daily Star" as I was discussing Rupert Murdoch papers in my post. However, since you have brought them up, yes, they were also out of order IMO.

Yes, I agree with that.

The woman who went to a rape crisis centre for treatment the same day Russell raped her (back in 2012) certainly has a much stronger case than the women who didn't come forward until later. I'm hoping that at least one of the women finds justice, because even if they can't prosecute all the rapes, even one guilty verdict will validate all of them.

Looking like Russell Brand has just carried on with his life & ignored all this. Maybe there's nothing there after all

Or maybe it just takes the police a while to investigate the claims. There are two separate investigations under way with different police forces.