Anti teen device

[popcornprincess]

Brilliant idea I think. Our area is full of intimidating hoddies! Do you reckon they work on husbands too? Here

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UD - in my example of where I used to live, it was the teenagers who were hanging about in the fields asking for some place to go and trying to get it off the ground.

I'm sure that is not the case everywhere, there will be exceptions to every rule, but in that case, I found it sad that the ones asking and preparing to put in a lot of hard work were rejected.

I hate this device.

Can actually be quite painful. My dp (25) can still hear it. Children and babies can hear it.

It makes no distinction between those who are up to no good and those who aren't.

It further alienates the young from society which can only lead to more problems.

There are problems that need tackling but not like this.

It is nasty.

UQD, I agree with you. Where I live, -a new town- they designed an area especifically for the local youth to meet and hang about, with benches and a little kiosk in case it rains. They consistently snub it in favour of:

• the entrance to the local supermarket
• the entrance to the chippie
• the children's playground, 100 meters away, where they gather to drink and eat on Friday and Saturday nights. The playground area is full of broken glass and other niceties the next day.

I don't think teen facilities are the solution but facilities in general for everybody to mix and enjoy: cinemas, sports centers, etc and, of course, the police walking up and down the streets making sure everything is OK.

I maybe talking bolleaux too, but wouldn't it be nicer if people of different ages got used to share leisure spaces? Cinemas are good for that.

motherfunk -i am sure that most hoodies that hang around outside local conveniences have an appreciaton for Bach.

i think that perhaps this only applies to teens of worthing

And I don't like that device either. Terrible idea, indiscriminate punishing of the young, and not solving anything at all.

Next will be a device to scare old people away and make them stay at home instead of blocking the streets with their tired and slow walk. Oh, hang on, that is not necessary. It already exists: it's called yobs.

my pal is a police woman and arranged for lift music to be played outside the local kfc where kids congregated. it worked a treat actually.

Where can you purchase these alarms from .
I may strap several to myself this week

Seriously though I can understand why shops would want them but is it really fair on babies and younger children to have to hear them too ?
They also put some on some parks which does seem really unfair TBH .

we had this conversation with dd2 the other day wrt to youth clubs being uncool and she keeps trying to go to our local one but gets bored. The biggest problem they have is that they tend to group the ages 12-17 and your average 14 yo doesn't want to hang around with younger ones. If they made them say 10-13 then 14-17, it would get rid of many of the problems I think.

The troublesome contingent around here (which my dd is not part of thank god) used to hang around at the local park which bothered no one but then the council, in their wisdom , took the benches away so now they are back to hanging around the local shops which have benches, but are in residential areas.

I don't think there is a solution to be honest...teenagers have always been a bit of a pain but now we seem to be completely intolerant of them in any public places!

I've actually heard the guy speak who invented it, and while it's true that children and small babies (and dogs) can hear it, it doesn't bother them, because the sound is in the middle of their spectrum of hearing. As our hearing deteriorates with age (with a few exceptions), it moves closer to the top of the range, and that's when it gets annoying.

He also said that it was the most popular download for phones - he wished he'd patented that use for it - because teens thought it was cool they could hear their phones ring in class but not the teachers.

I'm not condoning them, but I do think the media need to get their facts straight.

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Maybe apple will bring out an iClearer in time for Christmas next year with Thrash Metal to get rid of oldies and poetry readings to clear out the non literary types and School Assembly Recordings to shut up the children. Waitrose shopping lists to frighten off poor people, all sorts of stuff like that. You could whizz through the settings till you were safely surround by people exactly like yourself.

I heard about this last year on the radio and they asked anyone who could hear it to call in, no one could apparently.

It is discriminatory and unfair to people who are just going about their business and not bothering anyone. Why can't teenagers hang out together if they aren't doing any harm? How many teenagers do you need before it becomes a gang - four, five, more?

If groups of teenagers are doing something wrong - not merely existing - then we should deal with that. Not punish everyone for the crime of being under 25.

Are you all forgetting that one day your little poppets will be teenagers too? They're not another species!

bbcfrom 2005

seems its not just my town but tyne and wear, bristol, wales, london..

the artcle says

"Glasgow Caledonian University psychologist Dr Raymond MacDonald says: "People will often use music as a badge of identification. It is important to their sense of self.

"So if they're faced with some music they don't like they will have a strong aversive response to it and remove themselves from that situation."

or basically

"It's pretty uncool to be seen hanging around somewhere when Mozart is playing "

Tom Yeoman, Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport

AHA!

there is also a capitalist pigs side argument to this argument...i found

"The right kind of music can also help to increase customer spend. A recent study by Dr Adrian North, psychology lecturer at the University of Leicester, found that customers spent more money when classical music was piped over an in-store PA system, compared with easy-listening music, or no music at all.

"Customers were prepared to spend more money when the music promoted an upmarket atmosphere," said Dr North. "When music provided a tacky atmosphere, or an absence of music led to no clear cut image, then this had a detrimental effect on the amount customers were prepared to spend," he added."

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alternative guardian view

surprise surprise

i tink it comes down to sense of identity

i played the violin at school, but you woldnt have caught me having a light conversation with my friends about mozart versus wham - cos george michael is way fit!

you're right MotherFunk, the teenagers corner here is not very appealing for anybody, except perhaps dog walkers, it is not a real "facility". But, according to developers, they consulted teenagers for the location and design. They obviously did not consult with the right ones ha ha

What about perfectly innocent young children?

There will be a setting on my superb new invention to get rid of perfectly innocent children. It will say 'Shouldn't you be in bed?' over and over in a rather nasty voice.

terrifyingly Orwellian IMO

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I so agree.

They should invest ore time and money in creating safe places for older children and teenagers to hang out, rather than ways to deter and punish them.