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MyOldCaravan · 2023-01-30T21:12:33+00:00

BBC News - Nicola Bulley: Partner describes perpetual hell over missing mum [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-64450243]] Just been reading about this. How awful for her partner and children. Really hope she is found soon

Eatentoomanyroses · 01/02/2023 17:23

@itsnote how do you know she had a ball thrower ? I was wondering about that if she’d tried to retrieve a ball and somehow slipped

Peverellshire · 01/02/2023 17:26

I don’t have local knowledge but if fairly shallow & they searched quickly whilst not foolproof my feeling is odds pretty good she’s not there.

Doesn’t feel like a planned disappearance, either & as midst of a conference call doesn’t feel like suicide but who knows. So ambiguous, must be hell for the family.

I wonder why a focus on the older man with fluffy dog? Poss as someone else thought he was in same place, approx, at same time, but no third party…

Peverellshire · 01/02/2023 17:31

Surely the two people she was allegedly ‘laughing & joking’ with earlier on walk very important. If apparently family suspect a third party, why would police disagree?

itsnote · 01/02/2023 17:46

I don't know she had a ball thrower but I've heard of dog toys being mentioned and that the dog usually had a ball.

The people who said she was "laughing and joking" are the couple that saw her on the towpath in the field walking in the direction of the bench. They probably just mean usual pleasantries, smiling, laughing about muddy dogs/cold weather/January seeming long and dreary. They're simply demonstrating that she seemed in good spirits.

itsnote · 01/02/2023 17:48

Her partner said the dog harness was off too. That's unusual and it does make you wonder if the dog had become trapped in something and she put her phone down on the bench, freed the dog whilst removing the harness and fell into the water.

LemonSwan · 01/02/2023 17:53

prh47bridge · 01/02/2023 07:36

Yes, it is. Overall, 170,000 people are reported missing each year. In round terms, 70,000 children, 50,000 men and 50,000 women. However, I must own up to a miscalculation. Around 75-100 women a year are killed by a current or former partner. The rest of my figures are correct.

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And when we say missing do we mean and are then found. Because that’s 170000 people a year. We would run out of people at that rate!

prh47bridge · 01/02/2023 18:00

LemonSwan · 01/02/2023 17:53

And when we say missing do we mean and are then found. Because that’s 170000 people a year. We would run out of people at that rate!

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We would indeed. They aren't all found but 97% of them turn up within 1 week.

lalalalalaalalala · 01/02/2023 18:17

Sorry to be crude, but if she drowned and is submerged by water, wouldn't the gases of a decomposing body push her to the surface fairly soon?

Hearmeout · 01/02/2023 18:22

itsnote · 01/02/2023 16:12

"Also, there are lots of people here who know the area well, can we stop arguing over who knows it best?"

No and I don't know why you think you get to moderate here. Nobody is arguing over that. It's important that misinformation isn't spread. It's a very busy place traffic wise, although those fields are quiet. It's also important to know that it's not at the beginning of her walk. She'd have been around halfway through it.

This is something the people searching are stressing. Just because you can walk for miles, doesn't mean she ever did on her morning walk.

You'd expect some sign of a fall on the way down to the river there if that was the case so I can see why her parents would be concerned.

The police would come quickly to look for her, it's not unusual. There has been some confusing things in the media but that's because they're rushing to break a story, accuracy is secondary to that.

Funny how you took that to heart when I didn't even quote you.

ofwarren · 01/02/2023 18:29

lalalalalaalalala · 01/02/2023 18:17

Sorry to be crude, but if she drowned and is submerged by water, wouldn't the gases of a decomposing body push her to the surface fairly soon?

It's tidal though, so unless trapped she'd be more likely to wash up in Fleetwood or Morecambe.

Peverellshire · 01/02/2023 18:31

@lalalalalaalalala yes, you’re right, she was also wearing a bulky puffa jacket, too.

As no evidence of a ‘slip’ in vicinity & the fact they searched the shallow water there plus the bulky clothes, I feel she’s unlikely to be in river. @itsnote have they identified these witnesses she was laughing & joking with?

Parents & family apparently can’t understand why police seemingly won’t consider foul play.

TintyMinty · 01/02/2023 18:33

So have they been searching a small area of river for 5 days?

ofwarren · 01/02/2023 18:37

TintyMinty · 01/02/2023 18:33

So have they been searching a small area of river for 5 days?

No, its quite extensive

Shitfather · 01/02/2023 18:42

Cileymyrus · 01/02/2023 15:57

To note- people can often appear “upbeat” when they’ve decided to end their life or disappear.

making the decision can be a huge relief- and often the decision in those with MH issues is based on the logic that there children/spouse/world is better off without them there.

I work with suicidal people and the ones that cause them most concern when they go missing is not the ones with long MH histories, but those that go without warning and seemed fine before. They’re the ones who have been battling things internally, have no help in place to recognise their feelings, and their own minds convince them it’s for the best.

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Just reading an article about a 17 year old Bo who committed suicidal in Yorkshire. His family said he was quiet child, but no sign he would do this. Utterly heartbreaking.

TintyMinty · 01/02/2023 18:47

Are locals / police still doing searches in fields / woods etc - or is it all river based?

Catstaps · 01/02/2023 18:48

She’s either gone to help the dog and ended up in the river or someone has attacked her. Suicide seems unlikely as would you have your dog with you etc..

itsnote · 01/02/2023 18:56

"Funny how you took that to heart when I didn't even quote you."

Are you just here for a row because it really seems that way? @Hearmeout you didn't need to quote me, it was clear which posters you were referring to, including myself, who were discussing the locality. You're wrong to try and stop conversation about this, end of story.

No @lalalalalaalalala the tide has been in and out many times now. Had she been in the river she could've been taken out to sea now.

The searches are extensive and are covering the riverbanks and other areas around st michaels. The couple who saw her at 9.15 saw her often. They walk their dog in the same spot.

"Suicide seems unlikely as would you have your dog with you etc.."

It seems unlikely anyway in this particular situation but having the dog is irrelevant I feel. Suicide is rarely rational.

JacquotteDelahaye · 01/02/2023 19:15

itsnote · 01/02/2023 17:48

Her partner said the dog harness was off too. That's unusual and it does make you wonder if the dog had become trapped in something and she put her phone down on the bench, freed the dog whilst removing the harness and fell into the water.

Did he say that was unusual for her? Because I have always taken harnesses off dogs if they are likely to get caught up somewhere, especially if they're going in water but I guess it's whatever she would normally do.

itsnote · 01/02/2023 19:20

Sorry no, he didn't say that it's unusual but friends have said it's unusual and the dog swims in it's harness. There are lots of photographs being shared showing this so I believe it's accurate.

I think she took it off to help the dog. Maybe got tangled in something on the banking.

NothingButAWalkover · 01/02/2023 19:21

The man/witness the police were looking for yesterday who they said, last night, had been found and was being spoken to. He's supposed to be the same man that the woman who found the dog spoke to. Why didn't he make himself known to police earlier? He must know about this situation from local news, why did he only contact the police yesterday after they had put out an appeal for him? Also, is he the owner of the 'abandoned' house?

A couple of days ago, someone from the volunteer search and rescue team said they came across the house during the early stage of the search effort. He was quoted as saying 'we went to search the outside of the property, the owner was there FOR SOME REASON'. What does that mean? He went on to say they couldn't search the actual house because that was the job of the police (I assume they mean from legal perspective - search warrant etc) but that they asked the owner to go in and see if Nicola was in there. Apparently the owner went in and had a quick look, then came back out and said she wasn't there. Then late last night after finding the man/witness they (police) were looking for, the police finally started looking at this property.

I can't help but feel the 2 might be connected. Even if the man/witness from last night is not the owner of the abandoned house, and is just a genuine witness,it's so weird that the bench is right across the river from the house. Then with the comment from the volunteer implying that the owner wouldn't normally be there. Really makes me think there's something to the house.

How wonderful it would be if the police announce she's been found safe and well, that's what we all want

coteliq · 01/02/2023 19:33

The river looks very calm and shallow in the videos of the search on DM. Just can't imagine anyone could have got into trouble there. But it can be deceiving.

BbSee · 01/02/2023 19:49

Unimaginably sad and stressful for the family. Allegedly the dog was distressed when she was found. I know this is not a priority obviously but thinking of the dog witnessing her beloved owner's disappearance is gut wrenching. I don't think she just disappeared or harmed herself.

User435787532 · 01/02/2023 19:56

CyberSpaceTraveller · 01/02/2023 15:51

I read the article in the DM which said her parents asked the police if someone could have taken her and the police said they don't think it's the case. Parents stated there was no sign of a slip or fall into the river and she was very 'upbeat' the night before when they last saw her.

Her parents seem to think her being taken is a possibility.

Hope this is not a major fuck up the police who didn't explore that thoroughly from the start.

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I thought exactly the same when I read the DM article. I’m very surprised to hear the comments the parents have made to be honest. I was under the impression there must be some evidence that meant police were ruling out foul play that we aren’t privy to. The parents are completely contradicting this theory.

Peverellshire · 01/02/2023 20:07

@User435787532 might the police have another motive? It wasn’t that remote or deserted a spot, comparatively, someone saw her laughing & chatting with x2 people earlier on walk (?) If she’s gone off willingly (unlikely) with someone she arranged to meet on bench, is she using cash card?

If the water really was 2-3 ft deep & given the bulky clothing an accident feels unlikely.

Is this house a red herring? Apparently not derelict or abandoned (?) Being renovated.

Peverellshire · 01/02/2023 20:10

To add, especially re: unlikely an accident, to my mind, as police say no signs & they acted fast on river search at low tide with equipment.