China opening up. Why isn't the UK being more wary?

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in China: Countries tighten rules as tourism set to resume www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-64111492

Why haven't we learned? If we'd shut down 10-14 days earlier than March 23rd 2020 this whole thing may not have been as hard for us.

China's neighbours, Italy and most probably the USA are not throwing their doors open to Chinese tourists, yet the UK sits on the 'let's see' fence.....

Thousands of factory workers were dying of Covid in 2019 without much explanation before December 2019. If a factories are losing up to half its workforce to 'pneumonia' it hints at an issue.

China were slow of the mark and once again they are saying only a handful of people have recently died yet crematoriums are struggling to keep up with the current demand.

They also obstructed WHO officials when they first tried to investigate in China itself with red tape and legalities.

Thousands of factory workers were dying of Covid in 2019 without much explanation before December 2019. If a factories are losing up to half its workforce to 'pneumonia' it hints at an issue

No way did any factories lose half their workforce due to Covid. You can’t cover that kind of shit up, not even in China.

@stormywaves
Im sorry but it sounds awfully like you are getting your information from an anti-Chinese propaganda site like InfoWars.

Or The Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/a-man-lies-dead-in-the-street-the-image-that-captures-the-wuhan-coronavirus-crisis

Remember the faked images we were getting from China of people dropping dead in the street? This one has very neatly and conveniently ‘died’ on his back with his arms straight by his sides - like you do. Just how many people in the U.K. keeled over and expired without warning even at the height of the pandemic? Total propaganda and manipulation by a totalitarian regime.

And we STILL accept they tell us the truth about Covid?

Eh, you think that photo was faked by China? It was taken by French Journalists….who were the ones who sold it to the Guardian.

Journalists from Agence France-Presse saw the body on Thursday morning, not long before a vehicle arrived carrying emergency workers. AFP could not determine how the man, who appeared to be aged in his 60s, had died.

Nothing propagandist about that. Man dies in street. In a large city like Wuhan, you’re going to get a few people dropping dead of heart attacks or aneurisms now and then anyway. We get a few sudden deaths on the street or on aeroplanes in the U.K. too.

The ECDC are saying there’s no need for screening of Chinese visitors.

EU calls screening of travellers from China 'unjustified' www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64119080

I can’t believe what short memories some have about the absolute nonsense that was coming out of China in 2020!

The video you just posted was basically independent analysis of what randoms had posted to Social Media claiming it was actual news of events in China.

Often fabricated, alarmist, conspiracy theory, sino-phobic, racist bullshit. Like the clip in your video which claimed to show doctors roaming Wuhan with guns and shooting and killing Covid infected people.

Again, this isn’t anything any Chinese government official was disseminating. This isn’t propaganda from China, it’s propaganda about China.

Until we know for certain that a new strain of Omicron isn't circulating in China, a precautionary response would be wise.

I'd like to know why, with a high % vaccinated, so many Chinese hospitals are overwhelmed and staff off sick with a variant that is supposed to be mild?
Their vaccines are good enough to stop serious illness.

We are going too, the USA has announced restrictions and we will too, might as well get on with it.

Give the number of cases in the Uk its like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

We should not be testing or screening - the world has to live with covid. We do not want another six months or year of hysteria. Covid is something that needs to be lived with and could arrive from any country.

In Jan 2020 there was panic. China didn't know what was happening.

A man dies in the street in a city in the midst of a panic and is surrounded by men in hazmat which we were shocked by at the time.

Later on, hazmat were normalised but at the time there was a massive fear of the unknown.

The photo is genuine and its significance important.

But this isn't proof that people were dying in thousands in Wuhan of covid.

Its proof that the authorities in Wuhan were terrified and didn't know what was happening and a poor bloke died of unknown causes.

1 + 1 does not equal 4.

Totally agree.

We also allowed ourselves to be panicked by the images that were emerging from China at the time. Bodies piling up in hospital corridors, people screaming for help from apartment buildings etc etc. which made our own responses OTT.

I assume the current ‘explosion’ of cases in China was inevitable as they’ve been subject to such tight restrictions for so long so as soon as people start circulating, infections inevitably will rise - further proof lockdowns just delay the inevitable. My medic BIL seems very confident that the variant they are experiencing is already endemic here anyway so there is surprisingly little benefit in testing arrivals. Let’s hope he’s not proven wrong in around 3 weeks time.

You're 3 times more likely to die after two doses of the non mRNA vaccines if you're 60+ than if you've had 2 mRNA vaccinations. They're only similar after 3 doses. And protection declined more rapidly. That was accordng to data earlier this year, maybe it's changed?

I agree with @RedToothBrush as well. But for the record, I could see that videos going viral on SM could not be trustworthy as any sort of news regarding China and so I wasn’t panicked by them at all. Plus most US based sources were overtly anti-Chinese and not trustworthy.

Paul Hunter, professor specialising in Medical Microbiology would say your BiL is correct. The strain has happened here and is on the way out already.

Are you fucking high?

It's a very serious illness.

A negative test shows you are negative that day only ,

It's a very serious illness

It’s serious for certain groups. Elderly. Immunocompromised. Morbidly obese.

Not for most people tho

There are many minor illnesses that can be really serious for some groups of people but don't lockdown for those.

As i said...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64130655

We should be wary of variants. They have ineffective vaccines, the protective effect will have worn off by now anyway and vaccine resistance. I wouldn't blame Covid patients getting on a plane to somewhere where they would likely receive hospital treatment should it be necessary. A massive increase in transmission in such a large population is bound to result in variants. I just hope they are not more harmful. Sequencing would be wise.

The percentage of people vaccinated with one or two vaccines in China is high, but the unvaccinated are concentrated among the elderly. That is different to places like the UK where those who have refused the jab are more likely to be under 65.

The protection supplied by the sino-vaccines is decent as long as people have had three jabs with the third being relatively recent, but one or two jabs only is ineffective, and even the effects of a third jab will be weak if it was had some time ago, as the immunity supplied by the sino-vaccines fades more rapidly.

This is different to the mRNA vaccines, where the protection is more long lasting, and for which two jabs or even a single jab will already provide a fair bit of protection.

All this explains why China’s big wave is causing more disruption in its largely unexposed population than the big wave in New Zealand etc. did; New Zealand also managed to keep the vaccine at bay before allowing the virus to spread among the population, but New Zealand first got virtually everyone jabbed with lots of high-quality mRNA vaccines before opening the floodgates.

There is no evidence for new variants in China and I’m getting tired of invented stories about “There must be a Vairy-Ant” being created every single time we have this kind of development.

I’m tempted to suggest embarrassing the Chinese government by slapping some new restrictions on Chinese passengers arriving (like requirements to show a negative test and a vaccine proof) just because the Chinese government is so utterly infuriating and awful and it’s kind of fun to do stuff they are bound to find annoying. However….. let’s not stoop to such pettiness, and no I am not being serious.