15 year old dies after school fight

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following on from the bullying thread.... lookhere

We all learn on a curve and start with the most extreme cases first. 10 year olds, if normal, know that torture and killing is wrong. What they are more hazy about is knicking things. With teens it tends to be risk taking. But even my mosr crazy students know that killing someone has the consequence of leaving them dead.

Link to BBC coverage of story . Seems he had a heart attack. 2 boys were still being held today.

he was headbutted and his head hit a wall and he was pucnhed in stomach then collapsed

poor thing

my friends son is 7 years old. last week he was punched in the stomach and was sick. this week his head was banged off the wall and he had to go to hospital. i am dreading sending my kids to school.....

also, 2 of my friends are teachers and they say that they actually find some of the students very threatening. the law protects the pupil but god help any teacher who dares to defend themselves.

at one school, the parents had to sign a consent form give the teachers permission to tell the pupils off..... the pupils are 15 - 16yrs
she also has had pupils exposing themselves at her and is powerless to do anything about it..... apparntly the pupil in question has had a hard life.....

Sorry, hmb, didn't intend to imply you were a string-em-upper. Wasn't fair of me to drag that discussion in here.

(Mind you I do still feel that very young children (and one of them had a mental age of 5-6) can fail to grasp both the significance and reality of what they do, and that death is final.)

A consent for to tell them off , oh ffs! If they don't sign don't let them in! Let their flipping parents deal with them and save the rest of us.

Too many 'rights' and not enough 'responsibility'

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i dont think that there are enough deterants for thugs and bullies, i mean, a detention??? hardly a punishment..... maybe they should bring back the cane???

its mad. it all scares the s**t out of me for my two! From the age of 5 both mine will go to judo so that if - god forbid - they are in a situation to defend themselves (and a whole heap of other reasons as i studied martial arts for a while)

The horrific thing is that that schools will know who the 'thugs' are, but are almost powerless to do anything about them. They will be excluded for a set period and them returned back to the class. My form last year had two boys and one had broken the others jaw ffs! Teachers frequently have to teach kids who assault them. How many jobs make you put up with this sort of shit? And what on earth does it do to the kids ffs! I'm an adult and it would distress me, what must it do to a kids to see their atacker round the school. Cases should be presecuted, just like they would be if it happened on the street. Why is it OK to hit someone in school, but not on the road outside the school!

are they seriously not prosecuted hmb?

i think we're supposed to be sympathetic to the bullies..... after all they must be having a tough time at home.....

never mind the victim..... their bruises will fade..... they should have stayed out of his way.......

Agree hmb - why is it arrests are only made after a death? An assault is an assault wherever its committed

Very often they are not. A few years ago a kid pulled a knife on a teacher. That wasn't prosecuted, neither was the broken jaw. IIRC when I told the story of the knife pulling and MN poster sugested that it migh have been because the child was being abused to the teacher [argry]

Not that many years ago, a local head permanently excluded 2 teenagers who were dealing cannabis on school property. The local LEA made him accept them back into school after an appeal by the parents - because the kids had a 'right' to their education!!! !!! It beggars belief doesn't it? So, what message did that send out - you can do what you bloody well like, because no matter what the staff at the school want, you will stay no matter what you do??? I teach in a primary school and we are frequently forced to accept children who have been permanently excluded from other schools. One pupil at the moment has violent outbursts, but although she is Y6, her previous school didn't bother to gather enough evidence for a statement. So they have neatly passed the buck to another school - us!

Sadly schools have a sneaky tendency to 'cut deals' with the nutters.

We had one bonkers girl who was told that she could change schools on a 'managed transfer', or she could be permanently excluded.

As a result, when she subsequently ran amock with a baseball bat at school #2, she was excluded & came straight back to us - no objections could be raised as we hadn't actually excluded her.

A few months later she pushed a colleague of mine down the fire escape...

jesus - who would be a teacher? You're so right hmb - there is no other job where you'd be allowed to be assulted and the person who did it to carry on being there. Awful.

Shit a Brick CarrieG! What happened to the girl? There are some kids who should not be in mainstream school, buth for the welfare of the rest of the school and their own safety!

Er...she attempted to countersue the staff member involved for assault!

whaaaat?! the pupil did? bloody madness

Her argument was that the teacher concerned had taken hold of her upper arm & this constituted assault - personally I reckon we should be allowed to block punches by grabbing an arm, but y'know, I'm a whinging teacher!

You and me both!

that makes me angry - are you just supposed to stand back and let them go mental?

yes you are...