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James Bulger's mother demands right to find freed killers

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suzywong · 28/11/2004 08:01

as reported in the \link{http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml\news of the world.

Should she have the right?

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hmb · 28/11/2004 16:13

How could the boy who was not abused not know that what they were doing was wrong? How could the other boy, for that matter? I just can't understand how they could do something so awful. Had they abused other children? How could this be the first thing that they did that was wrong? I just cannot understand how they couldn't know this was wrong.

Gobbledigook · 28/11/2004 16:16

They knew it was wrong and anyone who thinks they didn't are seriously kidding themselves.

It wasn't a quick mistake or prank gone wrong - it was pure torture and they were in full control of their faculties when they did it.

Why can noone except some people are evil anyway (generally I mean, not just this case)? Everyone is different so there are surely people right at the extreme ends of the spectrum. We do we have to make excuses for them?

80sMum · 28/11/2004 16:18

How do you know that, gobbledigook? Do you know them personally?

Tinker · 28/11/2004 16:18

I don't know what 'some people are evil' means? Some people do evil things but don't understand people being evil.

zephyrcat · 28/11/2004 16:19

I am going to go back and read all the posts in a sec but my first reaction after reading the report from the link is How did she manage to stay in the car? I think she has every right to know where they are because if anyone had done anything half as bad to my children as what happened to that poor little boy I would not stop until I found them and killed the Bastards with my bare hands.

On the other hand I do agree that it won't bring him back but how does that woman rest every day knowing that they are there....... I couldnt.

Tinker · 28/11/2004 16:20

But what if everyone behaved like that zephyrcat? Do you think that that is acceptable?

Hulababy · 28/11/2004 16:22

I also can't see how they didn't know that what they were doing was wrong? How can that be? Surely all 10yo know that hurting someone is wrong? We teach our toddlers that hurting people is wrong - there are hundreds of threads on MN about this. At school these children will have been taught not to hit others, not to be nasty. Even if working at a 5/6yos age level - reception and Y1 children are taught and know that hurting others is wrong.

And these boys were found guilty - the courts believed that these boys also knew that they what they were doing was wrong. There were huge media coverage about this very fact.

At the end of the day, the actions of these boys can not be decribed as anything other than evil, surely???

hmb · 28/11/2004 16:24

That is what I can't understand either . How couldn't they know that what they were doing was wrong? Unless they were mentaly ill and incapable of controling themselves?

Gobbledigook · 28/11/2004 16:25

Is it acceptable to torture and murder a 2 yr old boy then get on with a normal life from the age of 18/19?

No, I don't know them personally but it was a lengthy torture where they did several horrific things to him before killing him. There were two of them. Are you saying neither one had a clue what they were doing or what the consequences would be?

I don't remember anything about them not being in full possession of their faculties or anything like that when they were convicted.

Gobbledigook · 28/11/2004 16:25

Hula, hmb - beat me to it!

80sMum · 28/11/2004 16:28

I seem to remember reading that certain evidence that might have resulted in a manslaughter verdict was deemed 'inadmissable' at the trial. I also wonder how it is possible, given the media frenzy over cases like this one, for a fair trial to take place in these circumstances.

noddy5 · 28/11/2004 16:29

what would she do if she found them?What could she do?

80sMum · 28/11/2004 16:29

Gobbledigook, I'm saying that they were children. Does that not make any difference at all?

WideWebWitch · 28/11/2004 16:29

But Hulababy, the point is that no-one was teaching these boys that hurting was wrong, the opposite in fact, weren't their own parents hurting and abusing them? And they weren't at school much by the sound of it.

misdee · 28/11/2004 16:29

she has found one noddy5

JoolsToo · 28/11/2004 16:31

"Some people do evil things but don't understand people being evil."

What?

are you saying that some people do evil things but that doesn't make them evil? what are they then - poor misguided fools?

Caligula · 28/11/2004 16:32

Also, the hatred they felt for themselves transferred to the baby (as they referred in interviews to James). Afterwards, if reports in the newspapers were to be believed, one of them had nightmares about the event with fantasies of rescuing James from the situation he was in.

I'm not a psychologist, so don't ask me what that means.

noddy5 · 28/11/2004 16:32

I haven't read the article but what can she do now apart from torment herself further?I don't think we can compare these 2 boys to our own children who are loved and respected

80sMum · 28/11/2004 16:32

"Is it acceptable to torture and murder a 2 yr old boy?" No, of course it isn't.
Is it acceptable to "get on with a normal life from the age of 18/19?" Yes, of course it is.

JoolsToo · 28/11/2004 16:36

Jaimie won't have that privilege unfortunately!

80sMum · 28/11/2004 16:39

No, of course he won't. Nothing can change that. I'm sure everyone would rather poor little James had never been murdered (including his murderers). James has no chance to grow up and make a positive contribution to society, but Jon and Robert do. Would you prefer that nothing good should come out of this tragedy?

hunkermunker · 28/11/2004 16:41

Well said, 80sMum.

hmb · 28/11/2004 16:42

I fully accept (and deeply hope) that they can reform and that they can have useful lives. But for the life of me I cannot ubderstand how two boys of the age of 10 could be unaware that what they were doing was wrong. They might not have leanred it in the home but schools cover this, the rest of society is there for them to see. I just don't get the 'they didn't know' explanation, I honestly don't

hunkermunker · 28/11/2004 16:44

I think they did know it was wrong, but they didn't know how to stop the chain of events that they started. I'm not sure they thought 'let's torture and murder a baby', though they may have done.

Whether they understood the permanence of their actions (ie a murdered baby stays dead forever - and that's a horrible sentence to write - sorry), I'm not sure.

Angeliz · 28/11/2004 16:46

Totally agree with Hulababy.
They KNEW what they were doing was wrong.
To me thet have not payed, nor will they ever.

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