Can’t see a thread about the Belarus situation. Anyone else thinking this is just the start?

[FreeBritnee]

With Climate change due to start triggering mass migration in the next thirty years is anyone looking at the news on this and wondering what the future is going to look like?

We’re already seeing up to a thousand people a day crossing into the UK from France and now Russia is enjoying the fighting on the Poland/Belarus border with immigrants being used as weapons.

I can honestly see a point in the future where we will be protecting our borders with firearms. Very, very scary.

Bumping this for the evening crowd. Interesting how noone wants to discuss it 🤔

Climate change has already triggered mass migration. We have 1000s of people landing on our shores every week and it's only going to get worse. This is the stuff we were shown in school in the 80s about the impact of climate change and now it's here.

Do I think we will start shooting on the migrants? No. At least I hope not.

The coverage of the Belarus situation is horrendous. Yes it’s a geopolitical mess with potentially massive consequences but these are real people and they’re suffering, a fact that appears to have been lost on most mainstream media outlets.

It just strikes me that it’s not going to take much for us to have to employ military to control the situation much like Poland. If enough people storm borders en masse it becomes an invasion and that is how wars start.

It's all very bizarre.

The EU is talking about building walls and massing the military on the Belarus border, but at the same time the UK and Greece and Italy are supposed to welcome everybody who comes in a boat.

Have you read The Wall, by John Lanchester? It seems almost prescient.

Do I think we will start shooting on the migrants? No. At least I hope not.

Don’t give Priti Patel ideas.

@WaltzingToWalsingham

Have you read The Wall, by John Lanchester? It seems almost prescient.

No but I’m going to guess it’s extremely depressing.

If enough people storm borders en masse it becomes an invasion and that is how wars start.

So if the refugees in Belarus stormed the Polish border, that would be an invasion. Who exactly would Poland be starting a war with here? Belarus? They didn’t send them. The countries these people came from? They didn’t send them either.
So a war against a group of refugees? That wouldn’t be a war, that would be a massacre.

@SickAndTiredAgain

If enough people storm borders en masse it becomes an invasion and that is how wars start.

So if the refugees in Belarus stormed the Polish border, that would be an invasion. Who exactly would Poland be starting a war with here? Belarus? They didn’t send them. The countries these people came from? They didn’t send them either.
So a war against a group of refugees? That wouldn’t be a war, that would be a massacre.

Have you read the reports to understand what’s happening? It’s more than a few refugees hoping to cross the border. It’s a political tactic to try and destabilise a country and potentially destabilise Europe. Hence why Putin is involved.

And Poland doesn't exactly have a liberal tolerant government at the moment.

Just reading more about it.

Not sure how it will be resolved as Poland won’t let them in

Obviously there is a mix of nationalities but from other European press reports I understand that the majority of the migrants are kurdish. So technically refugees - even if nobody wants to acknowledge this. (The plight of these people is a whole other story!)

Sadly, there is no answer of how to handle this type of mass migration (whatever the forces behind this are).

Speaking as someone who’s grandparents were refugees, I completely agree with what Fortunei has said. They are not refugees.

@FreeBritnee sorry, yes I was using the specific example of Belarus to answer your general point about future migration, but it isn’t a good example. I just generally don’t think a large number of refugees is really an “invasion” in a typical war-starting kind of way.

Correct me if I’m wrong but genuine refugees seek refuge in the first safe country.

You're wrong. People aren't making such a treacherous journey for £35 a week.

@CorrBlimeyGG

Correct me if I’m wrong but genuine refugees seek refuge in the first safe country.

You're wrong. People aren't making such a treacherous journey for £35 a week.

My grandparents certainly took refuge in the first safe country as genuine refugees, and were extremely grateful to be able to. Then men then went on to fight for their country

From what I have read Belarus has encouraged migrants from Iraq, Afghanistan to fly to Minsk providing visas and putting them up in hotels and then taking them to the polish border and forcing them to cross. They are not allowed into Poland or back to Minsk and so are stuck. There is a miserable sounding article in the Times today where an Afghan lawyer is there with his wife and child. It sounds like he was assured there would be no problem getting into the EU this way.
It does sound like a new tactic , using migrants as pawns in negotiating tactics. Turkey does this too in the Mediterranean and you could argue Macron doing similar in the English Channel. Very depressing all round and not sure what the answer is.

@CorrBlimeyGG

Correct me if I’m wrong but genuine refugees seek refuge in the first safe country.

You're wrong. People aren't making such a treacherous journey for £35 a week.

No, but maybe they are willing to make a treacherous journey when they can see the prospect of a national average weekly wage of over £500 here [[https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/latest]], compare with an average weekly wage of just over £50. monthly wage in Syria [[http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=211&loctype=1]] and Syrian lira into sterling [[https://themoneyconverter.com/SYP/GBP]].

Especially if the tales of those who didn’t make it safely don't get back home... I’m always amazed how many people assume refugees have an in-depth knowledge of the dangers of the English Channel, and have weighed it up really carefully and still made the choice, showing how desperate they truly are. It’s in people-smugglers interests not to spread that news, no? And to keep naive people wanting a (much) better life taking the routes offered.

Shit; sorry about the bad links.

My post was deleted - admins, please explain why.
I wasn’t abusive to anyone.
But I strongly believe if someone crossed multiple safe European countries just to make it into Britain - they are not genuine people seeking refuge but economic illegal migrants.