Insulate Britain, I may join in the protests

[Emma2021]

Hubby is against it as he fears fines/prison/unlimited fines and
the real risk of getting hurt.

Initially even I thought they were wrong, makes no difference. But if we were all able to with or without grants/etc to improve the insulation of our homes, we would be making it a better place for all of us.

I am worried about stopping, holding up in traffic log jams 999 vehicles and those going for hospital appointments and those working for the NHS,, crers etc.

I am also worried about being pushed around and possibly worse by angry drivers.

IMO, people have a right to protest and other people must not be allowed to take the law into their own hands, EG, videos in the press showing demonstrators being dragged out of the way and almost run over ie shoved by a car/etc.

I am really worried that if this kind of thing is allowed to continue IE some of the public dragging demonstrators off the road, etc, etc, what will happen if you demo for another cause and you have some that strongly disagree with you.

I may just turn up at a demo and voice my support, clap etc those taking action

I am also worried about breaking the law as we are lawful people the family and I. Therefore will only support what is legitmate demon where they have not been banned etc, so I may have to stand on the pavement with a banner showing my support.

TBH, I'm confused and worried and my husband is not happy with me. He is saying he can see their reasons but they must not break the law and in his view they are now .

As I type, I think I've come to a decision, I won't join but will write to MP's demanding they acted on our concerns. Am I being a coward or just sensible?

Sensible. Have you insulated your own home to the level that you deem acceptable? Start there.

A criminal record is not going to improve your life.

Off you go then. Is there really any need to announce it on Mumsnet first?

@Sparkai

Sensible. Have you insulated your own home to the level that you deem acceptable? Start there.

A criminal record is not going to improve your life.

We have thanks but double glazing is about 8 years old and 'A' rated at the time but now days you can get tripple glazzing a lot cheaper than what is was then. Walls inulated as well as roof. newish gas boiler about 3 yrs old. Got those heat controls on every radiator bar one as you are not allowed so we only heat rooms we need to. We go thrmo cutains they save a lot of heat.

thanks, you made me think.

The more I think about it the more inclined I am to demo from my laptop/home/phone/social media, thanks as it is putting my mind at ease.

Demonstrating is different from blocking roads.

Demonstrating is standing somewhere visible waving a placard about, not blocking roads.

@CremeEggThief

Off you go then. Is there really any need to announce it on Mumsnet first?

For the reasons I clearly mentioned in my OP.

I'm sure you must have felt passionate about something in your life and you wanted to talk, share your thoughts and seek advice/opinions etc.

@picklemewalnuts

Demonstrating is different from blocking roads.

Demonstrating is standing somewhere visible waving a placard about, not blocking roads.

Not exactly true as we've been out and traffic has been poor because of a demo/march where it holds up traffic, traffic rerouted delayed etc etc. But I see where you are coming from IE purposely blocking highways. Thanks.

As I type, I think I've come to a decision, I won't join

Well that was quite the journey.

I’m not in the UK so not overly familiar with Insulate Britain but, from what I have heard, they seem to be a nuisance.

That said, you can’t believe in the cause too firmly, OP. You seem to care more about what your husband thinks that you do about the environmental crisis. Not sure if you’re the revolutionary force the world needs right now.

Write to your MP by all means.

You shouldn't be involved in holding up ambulances, stopping people from getting to their sick family members or hospital appointments or anywhere else they need to be.

It says a lot that you're more worried about you getting hurt by angry people than by potentially killing someone by blocking the road. You have the right mentality for an IB protest tbh, they don't give a shit either.

Yeah it would be lovely for us all the have nicely insulted walls and roofs….try doing that do a 1800 terrace! Such a stupid protest, who’s going to pay for it?! Because grants usually need the benefactor to stump up some cash! Oh that’s right the tax payer again when we’re already being shafted left and right. Bore off, I’m with your husband! What would your protest achieve? Because everyone I speak to says how they’re a bunch of idiots and their message means buggar all.

@VodselForDinner

As I type, I think I've come to a decision, I won't join

Well that was quite the journey.

I’m not in the UK so not overly familiar with Insulate Britain but, from what I have heard, they seem to be a nuisance.

That said, you can’t believe in the cause too firmly, OP. You seem to care more about what your husband thinks that you do about the environmental crisis. Not sure if you’re the revolutionary force the world needs right now.

I do "believe..." very strongly. But I am married as you know about "care more about my husband..." I'm safely assuming you've never been married. Marriage is hard work at times and it is a team effort were both give and take. This is why I listen to him and he to me.

The world, well the UK does need people like me.

@Ivy48

Yeah it would be lovely for us all the have nicely insulted walls and roofs….try doing that do a 1800 terrace! Such a stupid protest, who’s going to pay for it?! Because grants usually need the benefactor to stump up some cash! Oh that’s right the tax payer again when we’re already being shafted left and right. Bore off, I’m with your husband! What would your protest achieve? Because everyone I speak to says how they’re a bunch of idiots and their message means buggar all.

"stupid portest" - if you say so but I verhmentally disagree with your 1880 terrace.

One of my family recently moved house and bought a mid 1800 EOT house. Trust me the outside wall is cold even on a warm day and any wind etc makes it very cold.

Like most people they added new double glazing windows/doors, new thermo curtains and DIY secondary wall on the inside wall that backs onto the outside wall along with new rood and roof insulation, new boiler, thick underlay for carpers and quality carpets - their house is easily kept warm even on the coldest of days. I hope that helps ad something you will do., some of it anyway.

@ABCeasyasdohrayme

Write to your MP by all means.

You shouldn't be involved in holding up ambulances, stopping people from getting to their sick family members or hospital appointments or anywhere else they need to be.

It says a lot that you're more worried about you getting hurt by angry people than by potentially killing someone by blocking the road. You have the right mentality for an IB protest tbh, they don't give a shit either.

Noted, thanks.

glad to hear people are now dragging these idiots out of the way.

If you want to persuade people to support you, then antagonising them is not the right way to go about it.

The more I think about it the more inclined I am to demo from my laptop/home/phone/social media

I'm planning on literally superglueing myself to my computer in solidarity.

Marches should have written notice to the police etc. There are details in the link below. The right to protest is within certain limits, one of them being obstructing the life of your community. The issue with the current eco demonstrations is that they are not sticking within acceptable limits. I understand why, but it has a cost.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/advice_information/how-to-organise-a-protest/

yes, that’s exactly what the world needs. Flippety-flip reasoning from someone who’d feel right at home in the student union - but ultimately asks her husband what he things - and a man decrees!

Ffs.

You don’t need to UHU your face to the tarmac of the M25 to protest.

The mn phrase “are you in glue?” Has never been more apt.

This isn't a cause I'm clued up on, but I'm all for the right to protest, and think it's more important than ever that we can still do so.

That said I think the tactics of this lot are far too disruptive to the average Joe public, and that's not right. Personally I'm glad to see protestors dragged off by ordinary pissed-off people just trying to go about their business, which of course should be THEIR right.

I'm safely assuming you've never been married

You’re very wrong.

Marriage is hard work at times and it is a team effort were both give and take. This is why I listen to him and he to me

By all means, listen to your husband. At least he has courage in his conviction.

What you’re doing here is virtue-signaling. You feel that protesting is valuable. You feel the cause is a good one. Yet you put your own comfort first and would prefer to sit on your sofa sending emails than proactively taking part and, when challenged, play the dutiful little wifey card.

If you want people to support a cause you believe in, you have to lead by example.

To me, you epitomise what I know of IB protestors- no conviction, and like the attention.

Well, when I've felt passionate about something, I've usually shared it with people in real life, Emma2021.

I'm so sick of this looking for attention/validation trend on social media, that seems to have spread to Mumsnet from Facebook/Instagram. Just do what you want to do, as long as it doesn't cause any harm. Most people don't care!

@Samcro

glad to hear people are now dragging these idiots out of the way.

who, the police or public?

@CremeEggThief

Well, when I've felt passionate about something, I've usually shared it with people in real life, Emma2021.

I'm so sick of this looking for attention/validation trend on social media, that seems to have spread to Mumsnet from Facebook/Instagram. Just do what you want to do, as long as it doesn't cause any harm. Most people don't care!

Forums are here for people to share their views, its not "seeking attention."

Most will know here but you may not judging by yout postings that I, and they at times post things we could not and would not want to share with others IRL for fear of being mocked, spoken down to, etc etc.

FYI, I don't do FB/instas/etc/etc

@VodselForDinner

I'm safely assuming you've never been married

You’re very wrong.

Marriage is hard work at times and it is a team effort were both give and take. This is why I listen to him and he to me

By all means, listen to your husband. At least he has courage in his conviction.

What you’re doing here is virtue-signaling. You feel that protesting is valuable. You feel the cause is a good one. Yet you put your own comfort first and would prefer to sit on your sofa sending emails than proactively taking part and, when challenged, play the dutiful little wifey card.

If you want people to support a cause you believe in, you have to lead by example.

To me, you epitomise what I know of IB protestors- no conviction, and like the attention.

I'm surprised that you are married by the very nature of the post you aimed at me. Thanks for this post that IMO is more balanced.

I do lead am leading by example and at no time, at no time am I "seeking attention" Do you seek "attention" when you post?

@SpittinKitten

The more I think about it the more inclined I am to demo from my laptop/home/phone/social media

I'm planning on literally superglueing myself to my computer in solidarity.

This is the kind of mocking I referred to when another poster cited I was "seeking attention." This is the exact reason I could not and would not discuss this with friends.

Would you mock most causes if you could not be bothered or disagreed with that cause?

For me, I never mock anyone protesting as I know they must feel strongly fabout it.

They are alienating those who might support them.

I support climate change protests normally, but if you sat in front of my car, so I waste fuel I can ill afford and put out carbon without going anywhere, things are going to get violent and you will be either driven over or dragged of the road after a good shoeing.

Go and sit by Westminster if you want people to support you.