Murdered by ex after a tv appearance

[ivykaty44]

Is it time we make the media take responsability for their actions?

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I don't think you can blame this on the media - he was unhinged obviously.

Good grief. You would think that after one woman had been killed after her partner appeared on the show they would be ultra-careful to do their research before any other men were invited on to propose...

I'm a journalist and I do think the show has some responsibility here. A. not to repeat a bloody tragedy and B. to check out these people before they invite them on. Breaching an effing restraining order, for heaven's sake! And C. to recognise that proposals on air put people under enormous pressure.

I can't understand why people want to go on these shows.

If you get a call from a tv programme asking you to go on but not telling you why, its blatently obvious your whole life is about to be exposed. sad though this case is, you can't totally blame the media. Whos to say he wouldn't have killed her anyway? he beat her before and he could have proposed and been turned down anywhere.

i think people need to take the responsibility for their own actions, not as simple as the media making it happen... although it is hardly very edifying.

She was invited on but had no idea why?

They must have told her something, but not the truth! I think you can blame this on the media!

agree with edam. How horrific.

He probably would have done it anyway he was obviously unhinged. I do agree that it's very irresponsible they didn't check out the restraining order but I'm sure they didn't expect someone who was proposing to have a restaining order.

those shows are under so much pressure to get people, i think they'll say pretty much anything... it's piss-poor not doing a legal check.

I think the world can do just fine without these idiotic tv shows and their moronic presentators.

he had been beating her for years, its very sad, but the media are not too blame. he is!

They'll keep doing these sorts of shows because people watch them. There are loads of sick peole who love to watch the twisted dramas in other peoples lives. People need to wake up and stop watching

I think you can blame it on -- not "the media" in general, but this show in particular.

If person A has a restraining order out against person B and a history of violence between them it is staggeringly incompetent to do such shoddy research that you are unaware of those facts and to set up a surprise meeting and proposal.

the sad reality is that if he was going to kill her he probably would have done anyway at some point. but...

these television shows are awful. And the world can quite do without them.

Blimey, falling off my chair, but I wholeheartedly agree with Paulaplumpbottom. All those wankers who watch these dreadful shows and give them ratings, should stop it.

Just like celebrity mags and crappy newspapers. These things exist because there is a market for them. If there weren't, they would cease to exist.

I abso-bloody-lutely balme this show - and this kind of show - in particular.

It sounds as if she was tricked a bit to be on the show. people are notoriously un-savvy about TV, and if they told her she was being invited to be in a studio audience or shomething, why shouldn't she accept? They probably didn't even name the particular show. It is obvious that she didn't know she was going to be faced with her ex, and would not have attended had she known.

They pull these stunts for public entertainment, this man manipulated the situation to try and publicly forcer her back, and I would guess that the public humiliation of her 'no' could well have pushed him from an unhinged control freak to over the edge.

The poor woman was trapped and I think her family should sue for that...she was lured into a situation where an injuc=nction was breached - in effect the TV show aided and abetted a crime - the breaking of the injunction.

It cannot be the media's fault that this man murdered her.

if it was meant to be a surprise the researchers could hardly have gone and asked why the two of them had broken up as he was hardly going to tell them was he.

these shows are so incredibly vile i have no idea why anyone would ever want to appear on them, but having seen a couple i can only assume that the "guests" are so very dim that they just dont understand that teh rest of teh world views them as some kind of circus act.

It sounds as if it was actually during the show that she said whey broke up for lost of other reasons.

And sorry, mamazon, being 'dim' and susceptible to the thrall of the media does not make people deserve what happens to them as a result of media involvement.

TV producers can be vry, vey pushy, and know exactly how to exert the considerable 'pull' of their medium.

Off the top of my head, things they could have done to find out why they'd broken up or verify his story:

• Got him checked out with local police
• Spoken to her friends/relations
• Had a psych evaluation done on him

Domestic violence affects 1 in 4 women at some time in their life and each year affects somewhere around 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 women -- and those statistics are in the UK and better than the global average.

If it doesn't occur to researchers that possibly they ought to be alert to the fact that domestic violence may have been an issue in a past relationship then I think they are exceedingly "dim". And they are being paid.

Seriously? you think that tv shows should have every guest pysch evaluated?

it is highly likely that even had the researchers spoken to family and friends they wouldn't have found out about any DV. instead they may well have ruined a surprise that was happy for both parties (obviously not in this case, but in others where both parties are happy)

My comment about people being dim to appear is about those who go on the likes of trisha/Jeremy Kyle/jerry Springer etc etc

they phone and ask to appear. they aren't persuaded by pushy media folk. they WANT to appear, they WANT the world to know that they had a one night stand/cheated on a partner/has a bad relationship with a family meber/married a horse etc

they are either very vain and just find any attention to be fantastic, want desperatly to be on tv no matter what the cost or are simply deluded into thinking everyone lives teh way they do and they will get lots of sympathy...instead of teh humiliation they actuaklly recieve.

I didn't say I thought they should have every guest psych evaluated. I don't think they should have "ooh, I am a poor little rejected man who wants to propose to the woman who rejected me" shows at all, for a whole host of reasons.

If (for whatever reason) they decide that this is such an important public service that they cannot be deterred from their mission to provide it, then sure -- why not have your plausibly charming Romeo evaluated? If nothing else, the cost would push this type of television over the edge from being the incredibly cheap-to-produce rubbish that it is into something with a budget that needs to be justified.

I am also wracking my brains to think of any cases where a woman has dumped a man but will be over the moon to have him turn up out of the blue and ask her to marry him, comparing those statistics with recognised rates of domestic violence, and thinking "pick a random wanting-to-propose-to-ex-girlfriend man and which is the more likely scenario?"

mamazon, that's not true. that's what they want you to think, but it's not true.
i know a guy who worked on one of those shows, said the amount of calls that turned into programmes wasn't huge. no, his (grim) job was to go to pubs in run-down areas of the coutnry and pay off the barmen to tell him about the shitty lives of his customers. he would then go and engage those customers in conversation, buy them loads of drink and they'd pretty much wake up in the studio the following morning.

At the very least they should say "X will be on this show, would you like to see him again?"

Give the poor woman a chance to say no beforehand instead of being confronted!

Mamazon - oh yes, the husband would have put himself forward...but if she was to be 'surprised' it would not surprise me in the least that she knew nothing about it.

And I think they should do damn good research because it should be obvious to someone purporting to 'mediate' between distressed peopel that there will be plenty of men like this one, who are trying to control women or involved in DV.