Marc Bannerman beat hi girlfriend?

[DrNortherner]

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I find this really odd, tyhe whole falling in love with Cerys thing.

Bizarre.

He probably did beat her up, he definitely did humiliate her in front of the world, and she probably has rehashed this for revenge and financial reasons.
Either way he is a bastard.

Beware the woman scorned eh carmen?

Obviously none of us knows what actually happened - all we know is what reportedly happened. But, having read a similar story about Sean Bean who was involved in a drunken, physical row with his then girlfriend which left both scratched and bruised, I don't see why women are always portrayed as the absolute victims in these particular kinds of cases. Although men are physically stronger, women are capable of inflicting damage too and I find it disturbing that that can be regarded as irrelevant. In Sean Bean's case, it was reported that the girlfriend had not wished to press charges - presumably he wasn't offered the same option? And in the Marc Bannerman case, she herself admits that she was going for him as well.

There is nothing suspicious about her dropping the charge. Lots of women drop assault charges in DV cases, hence the frustration and contempt felt by many police officers when dealing with it.

It's also not unusual for women to lie about the cause of bruises etc. According to Women's Aid, the average victim of DV is attacked 34 times by her abuser, before reporting it.

She could be lying of course. But the fact that her family are so unambiguously supportive of her, would mean they're all lying too and that's probably unlikley (though not impossible).

I think it's stretching credulity to say that the police "have" to prosecute baseless cases of DV. Most women find that real cases aren't taken seriously. 2 women a week in this country are murdered by their partners or ex partners and most of them have been seriously threatened in the run-up to their murderes and not had the threats taken seriously by the police. In that climate, I simply don't believe that the police are pursuing vexatious DV cases willy-nilly.

how sad that a mans career and charactor can be ruined by a few lines or an article in a newspaper.
(not saying he is inocent or guilty)

LittleBella you are right of course, however its also important to remember that this man has NOT been convicted of anything- don't we have an innocent until porved guilty thing in this country?

Its an extremely comlicated area, getting the police involved would have made me think oh poor owman! getting The Daily Tat involved doesn't seem so reloiable though, does it?

I hope to God that if she has beena ssaulted she goes to the police and takes the avenues available through them, but we HAVE to remember innocent until rpoven guilty or we become a mob culture

Has his career been ruined?

I thought he's getting more coverage than usual. Being violent isn't usually the end of a man's career - look at that footballer whatever his name is that went into film.

Whatever happened to the other one - Stan Collymore? Did his career get ruined? (Mind you he did it in public didn't he, so he couldn't really argue that Ulrike was making it up)

Who the fuck is Mark Bannerman?

He was in eastenders & has just been on celebrity jungle & been chucked out by the public because he fell in love (as he says) in there!

there's a lot of speculation that this is all a set-up. That he/his girlfriend had planned for him to "fall" for someone else so that she could go to the papers and play the jilted girlfriend and get paid £££ for her story.

The reality is that most of these "celebrities" are has-beens who go on this show to hopefully be seen and to hopefully put one last spark back into their failing careers, or they were never really celebrities in the first place and are desperate to be seen as such (katie hopkins was a contestant on a gameshow after all - and now she claims to be a celebrity? ).

If this man hit his girlfriend, then it should be played out in the courts, not in the tabloid press.

If it goes to court then of course it should be taken seriously, but I really don't think that it is wrong to be suspicious of someone that takes their claims to max clifford as opposed to the police.

Gazza played for England even though he broke his wife's arm. Glenn Hoddle forgave him.

I think it's good she's gone public with this. It'll help warn any other women who have the misfortune of ending up in a relationship with him.

BTW innocent until proven guilty is about people receiving fair trials and not getting sent straight to prison, do not pass go. It's a protection for prisoners against the state. It doesn't preclude a member of the public having an opinion about somebody's behaviour.

Actually i think innocent until proven guilty is a pretty good standard to lay towards accusations about anybody imho. Especailly where the tabloids are invovled

No wonder two women a week are killed by their partners if this is the sort of reaction the public has to domestic violence. No doubt the women have good reason to suspect that people will not believe them, or blame them.

First she said... "I had bruises where he slapped me and bruises and scuffs on my body."

Then...
There was a bruise on my back and I had 10 stitches to my arm

The stitches are from where SHE (not he) put her arm through a window

And this "He slapped me in the face and I was punching him. At one point we were wrestling on the floor. I was going at him, punching his stomach, but he was really going at me."

No excuses whatsoever but it does sound like a mutual fight

The I'm a celebrity stuff, I feel a bit sorry for him. If not set up, to meet someone you have a real connection with happens and sometimes you feel torn. That is how this appears, they didn't actually act on it though, no kissing, just some cuddling and they have ALL been cuddling

If his gf was so traumatised by the 'fight/abuse, how comes she could stay with him but now?? Obviously not that scared of him to leave if this can make her do it in an instant

Considering how easy it is for men to get away with violence towards women, Peachy, I tend to believe women when they say they have been attacked. Of course people will queue up to call them liars or equally to blame as we've seen here.

And like I said the tabloids have only just become involved in this. The police wanted to prosecute him last year, but didn't have enough evidence because his girlfriend refused to continue with the charges.

It does not sound like a mutual fight. The guy is MASSIVE. She says she was so frightened she put her arm through a window. How terrified do you have to be to do something like that?

Women stay with men who beat them all the time. There are all sorts of reasons for staying. The question is why did he think it was OK to attack her, not why did she stay?

"If his gf was so traumatised by the 'fight/abuse, how comes she could stay with him but now?? Obviously not that scared of him "

According to Women's Aid, most victims of DV are attacked 34 times before they report the abuse.

That doesn't mean they haven't been traumatised the other 33 times.

Please can we stop trotting out these mysogynist myths about DV. This guy hasn't been convicted of anything, but that shouldn't be taken as an opportunity to repeat the old myths which enable a climate where an average of 2 women a week are murdered by their partners or ex-partners.

I suspected the whole thing was a cash making scheme from the start. Though there was a blind item in popbitch about a "wife-beater" so maybe that bit is true.

So how comes she can leave him now?? That's what I don't get. She will accept violence but not adultery

I find that very odd

But it seems fair enough for people to be sceptical when the girlfriend chose not to press charges,refused to support the police when they tried to do so, and now it appears in the press when he seems to have humiliated her. I don't think that anyone who's posted here is doubting that there was a physical fight, but it does seem as if she now wants to paint him as doubly a monster and herself as twice as much of a victim. It makes me angry in the same way that all the John Leslie stuff did - now I am not saying that that man is an angel or anything close, but I felt the way he was absolutely trashed by the tabloids before any case came to court was unforgivable. If women are not going to pursue a case through the courts (I'm thinking of Ulrika here too)then it is grossly unfair to pursue a man through the tabloid press.

Well from stories I've heard from women who've been battered by their partners, they are only really free of them when they turn their attention to another woman, because the courts won't do anything about them (they refuse to lock them up most of the time). It may be easier for him to accept because he's doing the rejecting not being rejected. Leaving a violent man is one of the most dangerous times in a relationship when the violence is often stepped up.

Cerys is now in the firing line.

a woman scorned and all that. He seemed horrid and a bit dim from the little I saw of him. Better off without him I suspect.

mr - all of us find other people's choices about what they will put up with incomprehensible.

As for saying she'll "accept" violence, many women who stay with violent partners, don't think tey're accepting it - they talk it through and genuinely believe/ hope it won't happen again.

I don't really think I can blame her for not accepting adultery. I think each to his own really. Some people would accept it, some wouldn't. Hilary Clinton got slagged for staying with Bill. This woman gets slagged for not putting up with it when she's put up with something else. The common denominator, is that the woman gets slagged more than the man.

"It doesn't preclude a member of the public having an opinion about somebody's behaviour."
no but the laws of libel do protect people's reputations.

hold on hold on, adultery?
did he actually shag her then?
on live tv?

I have no idea who any of these people are (actually I know who Cerys Matthews is) but this is all a bit of a storm in a tea cup isn't it?
I have no idea if this is all a set up (it smells of it, tbh) but these are actual people
we know nothing about what happened