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Cannabis card aims to protect legal users

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TheUser420 · 30/11/2020 14:29

More than a million people in the UK will be eligible for an identity card that will allow them to grow their own cannabis at home

Buying or growing cannabis for medicinal use will be effectively decriminalised for drug users who carry a new “get out of jail free” card to stop them being arrested.

More than a million people in the UK will be eligible for an identity card, backed by police, that will allow them to grow their own cannabis at home or buy it from drug dealers.

Although cannabis is now legal to prescribe for some conditions in the UK, few prescriptions have been issued on the NHS, forcing patients to ask for the drug from expensive private clinics.

Many choose instead to grow their own cannabis or buy it on the street. Patients say it alleviates symptoms of chronic pain, migraines and nausea, but they fear being arrested and prosecuted.

The National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC) and Police Federation have backed the “Cancard” - a driving licence-style card designed by campaigners that can be shown to police to encourage them to be lenient.

The scheme is run by campaigners, not by the Government, but police bodies will ask officers to respect its users and their medicinal intentions.

Every police officer will receive an information pack from the NPCC asking them to use discretion if they encounter a medicinal user of cannabis, and suggesting they are not arrested.

Officers will be encouraged to contact a hotline to advise them to be lenient on medicinal users.

Growing and consuming cannabis outside specific medical circumstances will remain technically illegal, but police say their time is wasted pursuing users who are “simply unwell” and they will not enforce the law.

To be eligible for the scheme, which launches tomorrow with 15,000 users, patients must obtain a letter from their GP to prove they have a condition for which cannabis oil can be prescribed. Around 1.1 million people in the UK are thought to be eligible.

The conditions include PTSD, anxiety, chronic pain, migraines and Crohn’s disease.

Campaigners say people with the cards will be able to grow their own plants or buy cannabis on the street and smoke it in a joint or e-cigarette, which can reduce their symptoms.

Jason Harwin, the NPCC lead officer for drugs and Deputy Chief Constable of Lincolnshire Police, said arresting patients who are taking cannabis because of their health conditions “can’t be acceptable”.

“This is a really live issue, where the police service finds itself stuck in the middle of a situation where individuals should legitimately be accessing their prescribed medication, but, because of availability and cost they can’t and therefore to address their illness rely on having to use illicit cannabis,” he said.

“This can’t be acceptable and places the service in a position where we could be criminalising someone because of their illness.”

The Cancard scheme was conceived by Carly Barton, a fibromyalgia patient who is eligible for a legal medicinal cannabis prescription but self-medicates with black market cannabis because of the cost of the drug.

She said: “We all know that cases where patients have proved legitimate medicinal use are unlikely to make it to court, and if they do these cases are consistently dropped.

“This is especially the case when a patient presents with a condition that is being privately prescribed for. There is currently no way of identifying these people before emotional distress has been caused and public resources have been wasted.

“There is an opportunity to provide something that changes this by way of providing a service that benefits both the patients and the police.

“Cancard should give patients peace of mind and police confidence in using their discretion before any stress has been caused to vulnerable people.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/28/cannabis-card-aims-protect-legal-users/

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Seafog · 30/11/2020 14:35

I am so glad to live in Canada, where it is legal, government inspected and taxed, and you can get compassion pricing and get it back on your taxes if you have a prescription.

TheUser420 · 30/11/2020 14:40

@Seafog

I am so glad to live in Canada, where it is legal, government inspected and taxed, and you can get compassion pricing and get it back on your taxes if you have a prescription.
I suspect this is just going to be used to save police and courts time. A nice list of self-admitted cannabis growers, with the possession of the card being enough to apply the charge of production rather than cultivation, plus a nice set of names to run through the DVLA to stop anyone who owns a car in the registered name.

Meanwhile, the UK continues to grow the lions share of the worlds medical cannabis.

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Seafog · 30/11/2020 15:21

With our rules here, everyone is allowed to grow four plants, so they don't care. Here, the police really just want to be able to focus on hard drugs and not have to worry about pot

TheUser420 · 30/11/2020 15:26

@Seafog

With our rules here, everyone is allowed to grow four plants, so they don't care. Here, the police really just want to be able to focus on hard drugs and not have to worry about pot
The only concern in the UK is for the government to find a way to monetise it whilst simultaneously maintaining it's illegality.

People growing their own medicine and not making megabucks for Tory cronies is of no interest the current UK government.

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safariboot · 30/11/2020 15:30

It is a valid point. This scheme basically says that you might be shown leniency by the police - if you create an official record of your intention to commit a crime! Without actual legal force, not just "guidelines", it could so easily be abused by the authorities.

Seafog · 30/11/2020 15:50

I agree it doesn't sound like a system that will work.
You can't half ass a thing like this, either it's legal or not.
Being legal doesn't mean it's without rules though, I can't drive around with a bale in the back seat, you can't sell your own supply without registration, but if they can manage the sale of alcohol, and ciggarettes why not pot?

TheUser420 · 30/11/2020 15:52

@Seafog

I agree it doesn't sound like a system that will work. You can't half ass a thing like this, either it's legal or not. Being legal doesn't mean it's without rules though, I can't drive around with a bale in the back seat, you can't sell your own supply without registration, but if they can manage the sale of alcohol, and ciggarettes why not pot?
Don't try and use logic on the UKs drug policies. There isn't any.

The only people that benefit are dealers and pushers. In fact to such an extent that it's hard not to consider they pay for the system to remain as it is.

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LimitIsUp · 30/11/2020 15:53

Yes I've heard that Seafog but getting hold of the seeds is quite difficult in order to grow those four plants.

I think it should be legalised - I have a daughter with severe anxiety who spends a ridiculous amount of money on purchasing it from a dealer. She's on prescription meds for the anxiety but the cannabis really helps

slipperywhensparticus · 30/11/2020 15:54

Would you still be arrested for driving under the influence though? I mean alcohol is legal but you can't drive after a certain amount

I forsee trouble

Seafog · 30/11/2020 15:58

We had push back here as well, but the best way to stomp out the black market supply is to do it better.
Realistically most adult users don't want to have to go through a dealer, they want good safe product at a good price with none of the sketchy bits.
Just pick it up at the same time you get a bottle of wine, at the same store, with no stigma.
Dealers aren't tied to pit for the love of it, they want the money.
Once the government sells the weed, the dealers go back to pushing other things, which the police can focus on, as they aren't wasting time with Mary down the road and her MS medicine.

TheUser420 · 30/11/2020 16:12

@slipperywhensparticus

Would you still be arrested for driving under the influence though? I mean alcohol is legal but you can't drive after a certain amount

I forsee trouble

The thing is (once again, the UKs lack of interest in evidence shows through) drug-driving was so engineered in the UK to (a) exclude prescription meds and (b) not actually require any evidence of impairment for conviction.

Which pretty much tells you that drug driving laws are politically, not safety motivated.

www.gov.uk/drug-driving-law

pretty much backs that up ...

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