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Mother kills babe in hospital.....

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eidsvold · 22/10/2004 12:15

some shocking news re: parents lately....

here

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Cam · 22/10/2004 20:40

Of course abortion kills unborn babies - and I am pro-choice in case anyone is wondering.

Caligula · 22/10/2004 21:01

I don't know how this thread became an abortion debate, but I do think that if anyone disagrees with Monkey's views, they should argue against what she's actually said, not what they've interpreted her to mean. To tell her that she shouldn't be allowed to post on Mumsnet because of something she didn't say, is well ott. I might tell her to bugger off to another thread to talk about this, but not to another site. She's got as much right to express her opinion as anyone else.

KateandtheGirls · 22/10/2004 21:24

It became an abortion debate when monkey said in her first post, "How many millions are aborted?"

regularmnetter · 22/10/2004 22:30

I have changed my name for this.

9Yesterday O lost my rational self and fantasised about killing my baby. He had been screaming despite being fed, changed etc. I was very busy and stressed trying to do some some work and look after my toddler.

Several times I went up to him and my hands shook wanting to do something. I was "that" close to him once.

I am a respected member of the community, work with young children and a volunteer for 2 dofferent baby realted charities/support groups so imagine the scandal.

I am also not suffering PND, been there done that once before and this time I am not depressed just on that one day something went in me. Thankfully I I didn't quite pass the unspeakable point.

This is a totally tragic thing that happened in the hospital but the woman can't necessarily be condemned as evil. I also agree with the opinions others have given over the filming controversies.

eidsvold · 23/10/2004 02:22

we just seem to have a spate of it going on at the moment - children being accidentally run over by parents... children being killed through child abuse - man killed one twin and the other has permanent brain damage and then this case... just makes me very sad to think that for some children this is not a safe place to be....

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willow2 · 23/10/2004 09:49

It is absolutely tragic that this baby has died. What I didn't understand was how (or why) abortion was brought into this conversation. It did seem to me to be linking the two in a most unfortunate - and unkind - way. However, if that was not your intention Monkey then I apologise unreservedly.

monkey · 23/10/2004 16:59

I'll begin by apologising unreservedly for bringing abortion into the discussion. I absolutely did not mean to turn the debate into one about abortion, so in that respect, it was thoughtless. It was only one of serveral points I made, and the reason I mentioned it was I did a search on infanticide & on some of the sites I found, the 2 were linked, so it was at the forefront of my mind purely for this reason.

edam, you have a go at me for suggesting that there has been a media trial & prosecution. Well, given the title of this thread is "Mother kills babe in hospital" .. I was mearly pointing out that this is the conclusion a lot of people have & will come to. Some people are more open to consider other outsomes, but many people take stories at face value.

However, may I point out that all I said was that it was tragic that so many babies die each year? No matter what your views on abortion or infanticide for that matter, how can that be a disagreeable or objectionable comment? Even if you have had an abortion, & for whatever reason, it must surely be a sad if not tragic event in your life?

I reapeat, all I said was that it was tragic. There was no hidden meaning, no malice and no condemnation in my words.

leglebegle · 23/10/2004 17:17

Regularnetter - I am so sorry you had a day like that with your baby. I too am a mother to a small baby and a toddler and I know full well how stressfull it can be and how it can make you act so out of character. Obviously if you feel like on the (I'm sure) very odd occasion, just make yourself a cup of tea and let the baby cry and close the door. Its the only thing you can do. It makes me feel better anyway. You're not alone and I too thought the same thing as you when I read this thread! I haven't felt like harming my baby, but I could have whopped my husband over the head with a frying pan a few times and did actually slap my (very nice) mother across the face once. Luckily she is still talking to me. Lots of Love x

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