If Trump loses, is Johnson effectively gone too?

[HannahStern]

Boris Johnson has been so invested in Trump that it will be the end of the road for him if Trump loses. He will have run out of options:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/panicking-no-10-dumps-donald-trump-and-woos-joe-biden-llg7llg8c

Can anyone see Johnson surviving until summer 2021 at this stage?

Boris does what every politician does - is he doomed.

Obviously written by a Boris hater clutching at straws.

It wasn't the end of the road for Blair when Al Gore lost to Bush. Johnson may not survive as PM but it won't be because Biden beats Trump.

Biden has said that any UK-US trade deal had to be contingent on respecting the Good Friday Agreement.

If there is no US Trade Deal, the UK economy is completely and utterly destroyed.

As the Democrats have yet again put forward an unpopular candidate i don’t think Biden will be the next president. Also makes me wonder what long game they are playing, very much like what happened here with Labour running 2 elections with Corbyn at the helm- he was never going to win and everyone could see it .

@ApplePlumPie

As the Democrats have yet again put forward an unpopular candidate i don’t think Biden will be the next president. Also makes me wonder what long game they are playing, very much like what happened here with Labour running 2 elections with Corbyn at the helm- he was never going to win and everyone could see it .

Given Biden currently has a big lead in the polls with only 2 weeks to election day and a lot of votes already cast, that is a bold prediction. In Texas, for example, the early votes are nearly 45% of the total vote in 2016. Time is running out for something to happen that will allow Trump to pull this out of the bag. A Biden win is not certain but it looks very likely.

I think the Democrats have lost a lot of support from “middle America” (which is similar to working class here) because they are making the same mistakes and becoming tied up with identity politics and focusing on things which when you are desperate for work/housing/food etc is at the bottom of your list of priorities.

Which is pretty much what happened here with the Labour Party.

The question is why ?

The Democrats campaign has been based around education, healthcare and covid. The Labour campaign was similar, pre coronavirus. Have you actually paid attention Apple, or are you just picking some buzz words that fit your own agenda?

Agenda ? Or opinion ?

My opinion is based on my experience of growing up in a working class northern town, living in many different places in the UK, and working a fair few different jobs ranging from theatre work to teaching to social work. I’m now what would be considered “middle class” thanks to my education and work experience.

Because of my DHs job I’ve moved around a lot and met many different people from different backgrounds. I’m also easy to talk to politics about because I have no loyalty to a party, so I can talk to Tory supporters as much as Labour supporters and Lib Dem’s etc.

Why do you think I have an agenda ? Because I think the Democrats are making the exact same mistakes that Labour did in the past few years -which is mainly not listening to their core voters.

Why do you think Labour didn’t get elected?

It is true that the white working class voters without a college education broke heavily for Trump last time around. This coupled with Democrat supporters not voting for Hillary led to Trump's victory (although he still lost the popular vote). This time around, whilst Trump has largely retained the support of white working class non-college educated men, he has lost the support of women. Biden isn't massively popular, but he doesn't have Hillary's negatives and has run a much better campaign.

Polling day is still a couple of weeks away. Things could change. And there is the possibility that, like last time, Trump could lose the popular vote but win the election. But time is running out. As things stand, Biden is likely to win comfortably, the Democrats are likely to retain control of the House of Representatives (the lower house in Congress) and are looking increasingly likely to win the Senate as well.

Ah that’s interesting because my circle of American friends don’t support Biden at all because of his dodgy track record with women and his recent pro - trans statements. But obviously that is anecdotal.
They are mostly military wives/ex military wives so they were never going to support HC, but I was surprised by how little they support JB.

And I still don’t know if the two party system is a good thing or bad thing!

I'm not sure that it will mean Johnson's a goner, but I think it will heavily influence the outcome of the EU negotiations - the Democrats have been vocal about defending the GFA.

As for whether Trump will win, who knows. The polls certainly look that way but everyone is acutely aware of how little that meant last time. Even if he does lose, Trump will not take it lying down and is sure to drag things out in the Supreme Court for as long as possible.

I thought the rumour was that Johnson was planning to resign in the spring, anyway?

Have read it in a couple of places now.