So explain to me how you & I benefit from the rise in immigration

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Please explain to me who except the already rich employers (and translators) are benefitting - im not trying to be contentious I would just like to understand.

They are cheap labour therefore why should a british employer pay a decent wage i.e enough for you and I to pay our mortgage when they can get an immigrant willing to live 20 to a house in substandard conditions. So wages will go down.

They dont pay much tax because they are on minimum wage plus are sending a lot of their wages out of the country.

They are entitled to healthcare and as this report says are costing the police money.
news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=6167846

I also read yesterday that european immigrants are entitled to tax credits for their children who still live abroad (wtf), hospitals, police, school have to employ translators - of course this is all coming out of the piggy bank you and I have paid into for years and will continue to.

I just dont get it - SORRY!

Yes, because A) she might nto relaise how she comes across! or B) it may be nerve related- lots of people sound very different from themselves when nervous!

And no employer would employ him because he was ill, fair enough. But what about all those who go to 2 interviews a month just to make it look like they are looking for work so they can carry on claiming JSA? There are more of those kind of people about then there are people with genuine reasons not to find work.

She probably was nervous yes but the disorder thing- unlikely. Soon find out on Saturday.

Well clearly you and I are very different- i'm a benefit of the doubt sort of eprson, you're not. I suspect we're both equally intelligent, just different, because I would ahte to penalise the genuine just to protect the guilty (and my Dh is also self employed so we both have interests there- well Dh has two jobs, one is self employed)

Fir do's though, you didn't mention it ws a telephone based job initially- so my post was appropriate

I guess i gave up being a benefit of the doubt kind of person along time ago. I just really hate doing the phone thing when there is a job in the paper because i spend all day sitting in answering the telephone then half don't even turn up.

At least it's not the driver position this time, i got people phoning up getting me to explain it all then they say 'oh well i don't actually have a licence!'

I have heard an interview where a French official lamented that their brightest and best go abroad. An English interviewer said "Well but lots of English move to France" and the retort was "Yes but mainly, you only send us your old people".

Ignore the ageism - the point is (a) not mine originally and (b) really about economic productivity.

LOTS of reasons why someone on JSA hasn't found work - childcare issues, undiagnosed illness, lives in a rural area where permanent jobs are hard to come by and getting on and off benefits will leave them with periods of homelessness/no money for food, etc.

it has probably been said (sorry long thread)
but when you consider work in care, including elderly, special needs adults and children, or the hospitality industry or the food / farming etc.
these would just not run but for the foreigners who work quite hard, these are important jobs but 'society' places little value in them so they can be very low pay.

so many people want fame and fortune for doing nothing then slag off hard working people who are meant to feel grateful that they are allowed to do these jobs and should really just put up and shut up and preferably go back to their own country asap

I don't buy it i'm afraid. People like Peachys DH who couldn't get a job because he was genuinly ill, fair enough. But i guess someone who doesn't really want a job is going use any excuse aren't they?

Take someone like my mum. She was left in a one bedroom flat with me and my sister (i was 1 she was 4) because our father had left. She had no money what so ever but scrapped by on odd jobs here and there, she did everything from scrubbing loos to wiping old ladies asses (seriously!). She was desperate and so did anything and we got by. Seven years later she got enough money to rent a two bedroom flat.

I just hate it when i here people saying "oh i don't wanna do that job because..." Imo if your that desperate then you will say "i'll take the job because...". If you can't get a permanant job, get a temp job but keep looking for perminant job or find a cash in hand job like cleaning whilst you apply for permanant jobs. I don't believe that an able bodied person can't get any job what so ever.

I do agree there's a lot of picky people and you think well- if it pays the bills... but tehre are lots of reasons why people genuinley cannot work as well- I know of at least one family on the sn threads for example, where th dh can't work because f the sheer labour involved in caring for their very severely disabled daughter. Indeed, if I were not at University now I coulnd' posibly manage a FT position as there are no after school SN facillities in our city (DS1 and ds3 SN). So I find it fdoes pay to be open minded, the more people I meet the more it confirms that, really. The only way I will be able to get back to work is when DH does his degree and then goes Ft selfe mployed as he will work from home and be able to set his hours a little (evening work being essential in his industry, not mine, iyswim)

If he is taking care of his severly disabled daughter then he is working. I class that as a job in itself and he should get carers allowance for that?

CA is £40 a week though, and only one aprent gets it- if you ahve 2 parents caring (as they have to, for specific reasons) then you can't get it twice sadly.

I consider it a job as well tbh- shame the Government doesn't!

not to mention no respite paid significant paid sickness holidays etc.

sorry subject close to my heart. I think as the population gets older issues of care and its quality will come up more for public discussion.

with SN out of sight out of mind for most people, I remember lots of comments like 'these people should be in asylums not out here in shops'
if that is the thinking regarding the users imagine what is thought of the support staff

rant over so sorry

I personally had a Polish man do some tiling, paving and rendering. He spoke no English but it didn't matter. He did an excellent job. He was one of the men used by the Iraqi guy who does any big DIY jobs we need done. As word of mouth gets him increasingly more work he needs people to help him out and none of them are British. No complaints here.

the people who looked after my mum in her care home in her last two years of life were all from overseas, presmably because no one from the UK wanted to do that kind of work for not great pay.

I probably do sound like a heartless cow. I don't mean to, i just get sick and tired of abled bodied people who are capoble of working but use every excuse not to. The ones who say they are desperate to get a job and then turn up for interviews with an attitude, acting like they couldn't care less if they get the job. Then expect me to employ them and let them go and serve my customers with an attitude, no thank you.

One time of day the maybe employee would hope they were good enough to work for the employer at the interview and make great effort to make a good impression. Now it's the other way around. The employee expects the employer to make a good impression about the job to see if the job is worthy of taking.

"but if you are trually deperate for a job then you will take on any job, even the shittiest ones, and even if it is just tempery while you carry on looking for a better job."

and if your temporary job (if you manage to get one - some people genuinely do send of lots application forms, try really hard to impress anyone to give them any type of work and still get offered nothing) doesn't cover your bills??

then you're supposed to take MORE jobs in the world according to Icing, Queen.

never mind who will watch your kids for you.

Marry a millionaire?

"don't mean to, i just get sick and tired of abled bodied people who are capoble of working but use every excuse not to."

How would you feel about someone who's been signed off work for nearly 2yrs with severe depression - due to a horrible fulltime job they got "stuck" in for 7yrs - being slightly selective about the type of work they apply for?? Or should they just take the first shitty job that comes along and end up on an even bigger downward spiral - and probably end up getting signed off long term again??

oh you mean shitty badly paid extra jobs that you get taxed even more on as they're a 2nd, 3rd, 4th job etc

Although I do like the "marry a millionaire" solution

or cash in hand ones and then the government finds out and taxes the hell out of you and assesses penalties you can't afford to pay as well.

So you think it's fine then that so many young lads out there who are capable of doing a full time job, claims JSA and goes on a couple of interviews per month with no intention of working there but does it to keep the job center happy that he is looking for work? That he uses every excuse not to work because he is a lazy sod and doesn't really want to work?

no I don't think it's fine - but what about those who do want to work - but also don't want to end up getting signed off with depression again, and despite having filled in lots of application forms still hasn't been offered anything (and it's not like they're looking for anything "flashy").