Two little children stabbed to death this morning

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40 year old man also has some injuries. Police not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
We are hearing more of this since lock down and it is only going to get worse.

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I'm all for supporting lockdown but this is why we need to ease out of it as soon as possible. Domestic violence is probably at an all time high, there's children who's only safe place is school. Breaks my heart 💔

You can only imagine the circumstances. Those poor kids.

This is a stark reminder that other things happen as an effect of Coronavirus and what we're doing. We don't know the circumstances but I'd wager related to some sort of lockdown tension.

Murder of women by partners/ex partners has tripled.
Goodness knows what else is going on behind closed doors.
Family annihilation has increased too.

But it's ok, they didn't die of CV so it's fine right? /s

How fucked up is it that this should be headline news to get some justice for this and see what could have prevented it - but it won't be.

Personally I think people drinking excessively at home has a lot to answer for during this.

A lot of alcoholics are being created and I say that as a recovering one.

It's absolutely horrific, there's so many people l am 'seeing' (well on social media) saying "lockdown should consider indefinitely whatever it takes" who seem to have no idea of the above. Well some do but don't give a shit. Like a poster on another thread who said to paraphrase "domestic violence etc happens anyway, lockdowns more important"

That sounded more coherent in my head.

I really hope that society in general and government/courts in particular will take domestic violence seriously, even when lock down is eased. Yes, violence is increasing, but it has always been there, just less visible.

It makes my stomach churn when i think what some kids must be going through.

The domestic abuse and murder is horrific. I fear for those children and partners locked down with abusers.

I was just reading the story. Baby girl aged one and a 3 year old boy. I cried reading it. Of course the "man" responsible " tried" to kill himself but like most of these monsters he didn't.

It really worries me with the evergrowing, huge amount of posts on here from women who have abusive partners/husbands and children that this is what these women and their children are possibly facing. Heartbreaking.

If you're in this situation with an abusive,volatile partner, please please seek help.

So was this a father who murdered his two children?

The number of women posting on MN, frantic with worry because judges are enforcing unsupervised contact between children and violent abusers, is horrific.

I'm very much of the opinion that it is due to public pressure that we are on lockdown. The hysterical people and the shielded groups shouted the loudest, so we're on lockdown.

I have never agreed with this lock down. It's not fair to tell healthy people - for who this will be a mild illness--they need to lock themselves away. Especially when they could have violent and abusive living situations. It's not as simple as let them go to a shelter. If they were going to go to a shelter they would have gone. Families are trapped in these circumstances for complex reasons.

And that's not even going into people living in cramped and/or rundown accommodation. Children were already suffering from lung problems due to damp accommodation, now there not allowed out the fucking home. Then there's loss of job and income, people at home with disabled children with no respite. Children missing out in education which can also mean the only nutritious food they get as well.

People will look back on the fallout of this lockdown and realise it was madness. Too many had to sacrifice too much for the few.

I saw another post recently saying "well women are abusers too" and while that is true, of course, I am horrified by the number of women and children already killed by men as a result of lockdown.
The media also needs to call this out as the man is often protected in such stories.

So was this a father who murdered his two children?

Reports say all three were " known" to each other and all three had knife wounds. I would say the father or mother's partner. Horrific. Such a coward. Could have just killed himself but no, he had to take two babies lives and not his own.

How awful. I cannot find words to describe how I feel about these men, because they are all too often men.

Does that Pratt talking currently at us in front of no 10 even get this?

This is one of my key objections to continuing woth lockdown. It’s all very well for those of us with stable home lives but it is a major problem, IMO far more serious than the relative risk of CV to healthy people.

Recovering alcoholic myself, can't say I've noticed an upsurge

Victoria Derbyshire asking politicans right now on BBC News about the 50 per cent rise in calls to DV helplines.

What about the mother? There's no mention of her. Could she be involved?

Police said they are ‘not looking for anyone else’ which is the wording they use to suggest it’s the man with injuries who is the suspect. So no, the mother isn’t implicated.

@Americanmary1

Did you need to use a thread regarding the death of 2 small children as your platform to rant?

Contrary to belief the lock down did not cause this man to kill those children. Being a violent arse did.

I think the lockdown needs to remain in place and probably has to become more strict against those going out for frivolous reasons.
That said I do think the essential services needs to be opened up, to allow vulnerable women and children to be taken away and placed into protection.

It's absolutely horrific, there's so many people l am 'seeing' (well on social media) saying "lockdown should consider indefinitely whatever it takes" who seem to have no idea of the above. Well some do but don't give a shit. Like a poster on another thread who said to paraphrase "domestic violence etc happens anyway, lockdowns more important

Yes, nuance seems to be disappearing. Deaths DUE to corona and there will be deaths BECAUSE of lock down due to corona.

Strictly speaking, yes, a difference, but, ultimately, you still have a death that most likely would not have happened and one is no less tragic than the other.

For those of you who are quite happy to be in lockdown forever and want it even stricter, YOU GO FOR IT - no one is stopping you.