Cyprus gang rape confused?

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I'm currently watching This Morning and have seen this story all over the news recently but I feel as though i'm missing something.

As far as i can see the girl has been found guilty of lying, how come there is so much coverage leaning towards the view that the case is corrupt? I feel if the group of men were found guilty they wouldn't have had any support if they had tried to plead their innocence.

I'm so confused with the case, can anyone spread any light on what i'm missing.

She didn't have a lawyer

She says she was forced to retract her statement

You can Google it. Tonnes of articles available. Though I suspect you may just be goading.

Oh, and several long threads on here you can read.

The central issue is that the woman alleges she was made to change her statement under duress.

There are, obviously, very much broader issues surrounding the culture in Cyprus and attitudes towards women/rape in general.

@Iamatwatofthehighest I'm genuinely interested, obviously if what the girl is saying is true it's absolutely awful and I can't imagine what her and her family are going through, but it just seems very one sided and if the situation was the other way around i don't think it would get any where near as much support or coverage

You are completely right. If the situation was the other way around - as in, the men had been found guilty of rape after due process - the woman wouldn't get nearly as much support or coverage. That's rape culture for you.

Although I suspect that's not quite what you mean by 'the other way around'.

If the situation was the other way round in what way? A man gang raped by a group of women, left covered in injuries (as documented by a medical professional), the rape videoed and shared on WhatsApp then the man interrogated for 7 hours without any lawyer and pressured into signing a confession retracting their accusation? Is that what you mean?

Hmmm. I'm another asking what you mean by 'if it was the other way around?'.

@foamrolling This with bells on. Is this faux naivety OP? Surely you have at least looked into it a bit?

I'm also sure that if you're watching This Morning, it was very clear why they're discussing it?

Well it’s being reported that the president of Cyprus will issue a pardon if she is sentenced.

Says it all really. Absolutely unforgivable behaviour and decisions from both police and judge.

It depresses me that so many women do so much hand wringing over the tiny % of "false" rape allegations, the effect on the poor boys yada yada. I wonder how much sleep they lose over the physical and emotional trauma suffered by the fucking thousands of women and girls who have been raped and thoroughly let down by the system.

Oh, I believe her btw.

Tellme: You're forgetting that there are so many women agreeing to have sex with 12 strangers one after the other on dirty matresses on the floor and sustaining physical and mental injuries then reporting that to the Police as rape.

Happens all the time

face palms < Doh! Of course Iama. Coz after all, we wanted equality and wimmins lib and all.

What do you mean about the situation being the other way round? I don’t understand

#boycottcyprus

Yes, I’m sure that if you were subject to an 8 hour interrogation by police calling you a liar, in a foreign country, with no legal representation, you wouldn’t agree to retract your statement because you want to go home?

I take it you haven’t seen any of the many recent crime documentaries that show footage of police obtaining demonstrably false confessions of murder under similar circumstances? If such interrogation techniques can get someone to confess to a murder they haven’t committed, do you honestly believe they couldn’t get a woman to retract an allegation of rape?

1. Because there is what appears to be clear evidence of actual rape
2. Because there appears to be clear evidence of the trial not being fair in breach of her "right to a fair trial"
3. Because imprisoning someone who alleges to have been through what she has seems highly fucking damaging and unusual;
4. Because she is British and is currently not allowed to leave Cyprus
5. Because the investigation of a gang rape was carried out in 12 days;
6. Because the judge said that the 35 bruises on her body were jellyfish stings

Just a few things.

Do some reading and some vaguely critical thinking.

I feel if the group of men were found guilty they wouldn't have had any support if they had tried to plead their innocence.

Eh? Even men who are convicted quite often have the support of the public, especially if they are high profile men. There are always always accusations of gold digging, or the woman making a malicious complaint because she was rejected, or jealous, or somesuch.

If the police in Cyprus have nothing at all to hide then (a) they would not have deprived her of legal representation and (b) they will be able to produce the full CCTV footage of their interview showing how genuinely nice they were throughout the hours of interrogation and how they didn't browbeat her into retracting her story. They can't? Well that is a surprise. Possibly the rapists wouldn't have arrived at an Israeli airport celebrating and calling her a whore either. Those scenes said it all - they knew they had got away with rape.

Well, the 'other way around', would be if the group of men had been coerced by the Cyprus police into signing a 'confession' and then been convicted on the basis of that 'confession'. I'm pretty sure there would be huge outrage if that happened.

I've heard about a case where a woman was gang raped and there is video and medical evidence to support it and she was bullied/coerced into recanting her statement and was subsequently incarcerated abroad and now people want to support her. I just don't get it. So confused. Not goady. Oh no, I'm just very confused. 😇

OP hasn't been back in over 2 hours, you could be right.

If the situation was the other way round in what way? A man gang raped by a group of women, left covered in injuries (as documented by a medical professional), the rape videoed and shared on WhatsApp then the man interrogated for 7 hours without any lawyer and pressured into signing a confession retracting their accusation? Is that what you mean?

Happens all the time right? Coz women, am I right? There is no 'other way round'.

The fact is that women all over the world are raped by men and receive absolutely no justice. And this case is not that different. The only difference is they've gone even further into woman hating by prosecuting her. I won't set foot in Cypress.