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VIP Paedophile Ring

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MyBeloved · 04/07/2019 20:29

[[BBC News - VIP abuse accuser Carl Beech claims friend was killed
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48871460]]

I have been following this story wirh horror. I believe him.

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Feenie · 05/07/2019 21:43

@DollyTwat Follow @MarkEatts_1 on twitter

Brings up precisely nothing.

prh47bridge · 05/07/2019 23:54

Try @MarkWatts_1

DollyTwat · 07/07/2019 15:33

Sorry, stupid Iphone it is MarkWatts

cdtaylornats · 07/07/2019 17:02

There is plenty of reason to think he is lying. However, he remains innocent until proven guilty.

He has been proven guilty of possessing images of children.

He was right about Saville because he only made these claims after Saville had been found out.

WeeDangerousSpike · 07/07/2019 17:11

Didn't he phone / text the police pretending to be someone else to corroborate his own story?

I don't believe him, I'm not even sure he believes himself.

Burpsandrustles · 10/07/2019 23:04

I don't know if true of course but far fetched... How many children's homes were used as fodder for these bastards! The sheer cruelty... Not one but hundreds and that the ones we know... It's human nature'

Caucho · 12/07/2019 18:55

I think you’re one of the few people who do then. There is no evidence of this school friend of his who was killed ever existing.

Having said all of that I think it’s possible he actually believes he is telling the truth. I think it’s feasible that he was abused himself which has caused him to suffer mental health issues. I am possibly being too generous here though and he might be slandering his dead parent too. Certainly wouldn’t unequivocally state I believe you though which is why I always thought it’s a nonesense. Ok I know I this is not the type of stuff most people would lie about but we’re not talking about most. What happens if you’re one of the unlucky ones who end up in the crosshairs? Should you just suck up when people don’t believe you (as in the accused) when you state you’re innocent and they’re lying.

As an aside Tom Watson was a disgrace grandstanding and abusing parliamentary privilege virtue signalling about someone who seems to be a bit of a loon

Gingernaut · 12/07/2019 19:09

I think he's lying.

He bears no scars from the abuse and torture he claims to have endured and the people he has accused have either got strong alibis or have already been proven guilty.

I believe he may well have been abused, has become an abuser himself and was deflecting police attention away from himself.

However, even though the first principle of these investigations is now "Believe the accuser", he failed to realise that all allegations are followed up and once they were found to be inaccurate and outlandish, the police and prosecutors would turn to him.

To my eye he's a particularly nasty and stupid paedophile and pathological liar.

Dapplegrey · 12/07/2019 19:48

As an aside Tom Watson was a disgrace grandstanding and abusing parliamentary privilege virtue signalling about someone who seems to be a bit of a loon
Yes I agree but I think Watson was so delighted at the prospect of doing as much harm as possible to these Tory politicians and high ranking military men that he didn’t care if Carl Beech was lying.

lotsofdogshere · 16/07/2019 08:50

I suspect Tom Watson, like the journalists at Exaro, believed this man initially. His stories are similar to those heard by journalists, social workers, police officers, probation officers over many years. Anyone involved with children in residential care homes, young offenders etc etc will have heard the same names of alleged powerful paedophiles over and over again. I suspect there to be a lot of truth in the allegations.

I don't believe Nick's allegations, didn't when they first emerged. I was concerned eventually he'd be found to be a fantasist and the allegations made by so many over the years then totally dismissed.

Dapplegrey · 22/07/2019 16:52

Fantasist Carl Beech has been found guilty.

Caucho · 22/07/2019 20:06

Whether Tom Watson believed him or not, the privilege of, uhm, parliamentary privilege isn’t supposed to exist so that people can just throw around pretty baseless accusations safe in the knowledge you don’t have to face a defamation action. I do have suspicions he might not have been so forward if the accused were Labour politicians and this is absolutely not the thing to play politics with. Can’t prove that last bit but though - perhaps I should just believe him if he says not?

Dapplegrey · 22/07/2019 21:31

I do have suspicions he might not have been so forward if the accused were Labour politicians and this is absolutely not the thing to play politics with.

Yes I agree. I wonder if Watson will face any further enquiry into his role in all of this.

ChicCroissant · 22/07/2019 21:54

There were so many easily checked facts that didn't add up it is surprising that it got as far as it did. How the Police have escaped (I know there have been a couple of well-timed retirements) more judgement on it than they have is a mystery too.

Dapplegrey · 22/07/2019 22:16

@MyBeloved do you still think Carl Beech wasn’t lying? Or do you accept the judge’s decision?

Caucho · 22/07/2019 22:23

Taken from the Mail below (I’m admitting its the Mail for transparency). Anyone still believe him? His main witness Fred was himself!

His claim: Ex-Tory MP Harvey Proctor tried to castrate me with a pen knife and made me keep the blade
The truth: The knife belonged to his grandmother and he kept it in a 'happy memories' box
His claim: VIP paedophiles abused me in the Dolphin Square pool
The truth: He had never been to Dolphin Square and used a Culture Club video to make a totally incorrect sketch of the pool
His claim: Paedophiles exploited my fear of water
The truth: He has no fear of water and photos show him swimming throughout his life
His claim: I have to live with a litany of injuries
The truth: His body has no evidence of injuries
His claim: My fellow victim Fred will corroborate my story
The truth: 'Fred's' email account was created by Beech
His claim: I was abused by Labour MP at the Carlton Club
The truth: Only Conservtive MPs can attend the Carlton Club
His claim: I haven't googled my abusers
The truth: He had

Dapplegrey · 26/07/2019 18:15

Carl Beech has been jailed for 18 years.
No punishment though can make up for the damage he did.
Maybe in future the police and Tom Watson will make some cursory checks before believing fantasists like Beech.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 27/07/2019 00:54

I’m not sure.

I mean, the obvious way to close down this whole paedophile VIP allegation thing is to massively discredit the accuser. I totally believe it is possible for someone to be fitted up by the authorities. I wonder how long he will last in jail.

Those people saying the allegations were always unbelievable, Proctor for one has a documented history with 17 year old rent boys. And Cyril Smith and Clement Freud are now widely believed to have been child abusers.

Passthecherrycoke · 27/07/2019 00:58

I don’t agree re: Tom Watson. The default in sex crimes is and should be go believe the victim. That seems all he’s done. He’s pushed for an investigation into historic sex abuse claims- at a time when savile was being exposed and everyone was asking why he got away with it for all those years. The timing was just perfect for “Nicks” allegations

prh47bridge · 27/07/2019 09:57

Proctor for one has a documented history with 17 year old rent boys

As the law stands today he did not commit any offences and he can apply to have his convictions expunged. To equate consensual homosexual activities with a 17-year old with paedophilia and child abuse is a disgusting, anti-gay trope - a hangover from the days when all gay men were automatically regarded as potential child abusers.

The default in sex crimes is and should be go believe the victim

I disagree. The "I believe you" thing came about because too many victims were having their allegations dismissed without proper investigation (or even, in many cases, any investigation at all). Blindly believing the alleged victim is as bad as blindly dismissing their allegations. The correct approach is to treat the allegations seriously and investigate properly but approach them with respectful uncertainty. The police in this case treated "Nick's" allegations as true and ignored all evidence that they were fantasy for far too long.

Passthecherrycoke · 27/07/2019 10:44

But that is gained from investigation of the crime, not the victim, that’s the point im making. You don’t come from a start point of investigating the victims believability

prh47bridge · 27/07/2019 11:24

The problem comes when, as in this case, the accusers are referred to as victims without proof (apparently the police thought that to do otherwise would harm trust in the authorities but no-one qualified agrees with them and nor do actual victims - they expect to be regarded as complainants and will, whatever the police think, be referred to as such in court until the accused is convicted) and the police take the view that it is up to the accused to prove their innocence because they believe the accuser. A proper investigation has to start with an open mind and look at everything.

Clearly you must not only investigate the victim's believability, but failing to carry out any checks means you are reversing the presumption of innocence, turning it into an assumption that the accused is guilty. See, for example, the case of David Bryant who was wrongly convicted of an historic sexual assault by a complainant who alleged that this had deprived him of a promising boxing career. The truth emerged when the complainant tried to get damages from Bryant through the civil courts. The police had not investigated the alleged boxing career, nor had they looked at the complainant's medical records. They had believed him without question. Had they conducted these basic checks they would have discovered that there was no promising boxing career and the whole thing was a fabrication.

To put it another way, I broadly agree with the recommendations of the report by Sir Richard Henriques which you can find at factuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Report-Independent-Review-of-the-Metropolitan-Police-Services-handling-of-non-recent-sexual-offence-investigations-1-3-1.pdf

TinklyLittleLaugh · 27/07/2019 14:10

To equate consensual homosexual activities with a 17-year old with paedophilia and child abuse is a disgusting, anti-gay trope

Hmm, personally I think a middle aged man exploiting a 17 year old, most likely vulnerable, rent boy by buying him for sex is pretty disgusting. And not a massive step from child abuse. I’d believe anything of someone who would do that.

Dapplegrey · 27/07/2019 14:37

Those people saying the allegations were always unbelievable

Tinkly I don’t think all allegations of child abuse are unbelievable - far from it. Those who are guilty should be tried and punished.
However in this case quite a few people’s lives have been ruined and a bit more investigation early on into Beech’s allegations would have shown him up to be the fantasist he is, saved police time and a lot of pain for those falsely accused.

prh47bridge · 27/07/2019 23:00

And not a massive step from child abuse

There is an enormous difference between having consensual sex with a young adult and child abuse, regardless of the age gap. And I'm afraid the sentence I've reproduced above sounds homophobic.

Heterosexual men may use the services of prostitutes who are much younger than themselves. Would you accuse them of child abuse? If so, you are deluded. If not, you are homophobic.