Boy 10 mauled to death at holiday park

[Witchofzog]

I can't link on this phone but it is on most news sites. The owner was found off site after a police hunt so possibly fled when she knew her dog had killed a child. It's just awful - a young boy probably just going to the loo in the middle of the night on a campsite having his life ended because of a dangerous dog and an owner who can't control and/ or keep it securely away

Hearhere

What I said about society’s tolerance of dogs running out was meant to be general, not absolute. We’ve legislated against certain breeds already and of course some of us on here think it’s high time there were further restrictions.

The general point is that some dog owners have a vaguely defined but firmly held belief in an inalienable right to keep a dog. My point is that it’s a privilege not a right, and that that privilege can be modified or removed by the state in the interests of the public good.

@Flaxmeadow ummm you were the poster who said that all dogs should be banned! Why would anybody want to keep an unhygienic, vile creature carrying diseases anyway?!

Your words.

some dog owners have a vaguely defined but firmly held belief in an inalienable right to keep a dog. My point is that it’s a privilege not a right, and that that privilege can be modified or removed by the state in the interests of the public good
I think you are spot on!

labradors are the most likely dogs to bite but in order for this to be put into context we need to know what proportion of dogs are labradors.

We also need to categorise the injury as well. A Labrador might bite more but not inflict the same degree of physical trauma as a German Shepherd or Stafforshire Bull Terrier

Talking about trauma, it isn't just the physical trauma. The psychological trauma from a dog a attack can also be life changing

Any comparison to a leopard is going too far, its in no way domesticated.

But some of the dogs i see walking around around are genuinely scary and i'm quite comfortable around normal dogs.

If Wolfie wants a stringent licencing system and training, then i think that is a good compromise, i certainly wouldn't want to see well behaved dogs from good homes put down but i do think that all dogs should be muzzled, esp when off the lead.

Poorer folk shouldn't have a dog, they are hyper expensive to own and they should have more important priorities.

Poorer folk shouldn't have a dog, they are hyper expensive to own and they should have more important priorities.

Crikey. Idiotic, irresponsible folk shouldn't have a dog. Poor or wealthy.

ummm you were the poster who said that all dogs should be banned!

I said I would like to see all dogs banned but that is unrealistic and I have to compromise. I made a lengthy post about the type of dog I want banned. This did not include all dogs

[and] Why would anybody want to keep an unhygienic, vile creature carrying diseases anyway?!

I don't recall saying this. But will take youur word for it. What page is this on please?

Muzzles are pointless. Most dogs don't need to have muzzles. Most dogs attacks happen in residential places - where the dog won't have a muzzle on.

I think sausage dogs are responsible for the most bites, but they are not sever.

Poorer folk shouldn't have a dog, they are hyper expensive to own and they should have more important priorities.

What a stupid eletist thing to say. Poor people should just be miserable and alone stuck in the house should they. Dog ownership has enormous benefits for people's mental health. Dogs arn't that expensive, small dogs can cost as little as 30p a day to feed and then flea and worm treatment and insurance are only about £32 per month.

I don't think it's that idiotic, that statement to be honest.

Dogs are ready ridiculously expensive to own. I had a dog trainer come out when I got my first puppy, then again with the second. Then things changed. I had a baby..even though my dogs had been use to children when out in public, having a baby at home 24/7 is completely different. It can be extremely difficult for a dog. So we worked with a trainer again, educating ourselves more. It has cost hundreds and hundreds of ££, maybe over a thousand! That's just in training.

Took both our dogs, for their year check up, boosters, flea and worming treatment and to pick up their dog food..over £250

To own a dog costs thousands.

People don't consider these factors when making a hasty decision into buying a cute little puppy on the internet.

@Flaxmeadow don't play dumb. You said it at the beginning of the thread..sorry on my phone, doesn't come up in pages, just one long thread.

Your post got deleted by MNHQ.

It is true that having a pet such as a dog has numerous benefits, it is also true that in order to properly care for a dog you need a certain amount of spare money.
Should you be able to have a dog even if you can't afford to properly care for a dog, because what you are saying when you complain that those on low income should be able to have a dog is that people have a right to have a dog even though they can't afford to properly care for it.

Should there be specific state benefits available so that people on low incomes can afford to have a dog as a pet?

...don't play dumb

Can we please discusd this without the personal abuse.

'Your post got deleted by MNHQ...'

I thought it was deleted because of an innacurate or faulty newspaper link. I don't know.

But on consideration. I do think dogs are that kill children are vile. I also think dogs are unhygenic and I don't understand why people own them

I get the impression that some people feel so strongly emotionally connected to dogs that they can't bring themselves to condemn a dog even when it has attacked and killed someone

I'm sorry if you find 'don't play dumb' offensive.
I didn't realise how sensitive you were. After you were called a 'nutter' for your ridiculous previous posts at the beginning of this thread. I wouldn't of thought you would of found what I said so upsetting so I'm sorry. I'm not here to offend.

I'm here like most people, to debate on what should be done in the future to stop tragic incidents occurring.

You did say you wanted all the vile creatures banned.

There was no link to any article on your post that got deleted. I suspect it was deleted, after a lot of people on this thread, found your post extremely upsetting and offensive.

I think people should be allowed to say they want all dogs banned. Why shouldn’t they? It’s not compulsory to like dogs!

I don’t particularly like most other people’s dogs!

After you were called a 'nutter' for your ridiculous previous posts at the beginning of this thread...

One post was deleted.
If you think my posts are ridiculous then quote them and debate them. Isn't this why we are here?
Please can we stop bickering and discuss dangerous dogs

There was no link to any article on your post that got deleted

There was a link to a Daily Mail article . You can see this is true by the posts made after it. My comments on that page were about a dog that killed a child

suspect it was deleted, after a lot of people on this thread, found your post extremely upsetting and offensive.:

A post about a dog that had just savaged a child to death

I think the idea for a licence for certain breeds is a good idea.

Some dogs make good family pets others need huge amounts of training, exercise and experience. So it’s a combination of poor owner and a tricky breed? Give it everything it needs and sure it will become a well trained dog. However, without the investment interns of time and money you get a potentially dangerous dog..

This would be decided according to breed and statistics of attacks rather than size.

Labradors are the most popular dog to own hence the bite rate is higher. As a breed they are not often aggressive.

@Flaxmeadow you didn't mention in your deleted post anything about the little boy.

You spoke about how vile the creatures are etc etc..but it's fine if you won't admit it

We all agree there needs to be changes. I do think as an avid dog lover, some breeds so be banned.

But I don't agree that it should be determined on how big a dog is. There are quite a few huge dog breeds that are generally known to be extremely friendly.

What needs to be found is actually statistics of dog breed injuries in the uk within the last couple of years. I have googled this to death, but can't find anything.

I do still believe it is down to bad ownership though, and not specifically the dog breed.

LittleMiss
This from the Communication Workers Union is interesting. It doesn't bring us up to date, though, and I'm not sure it's complete.

That CWU page is absolutely shocking. And as you suggest, the grim roll call of those killed would be rather longer now. And that’s deaths alone: a list of appallingly injured children and adults over the same periods would be many, many pages long.

A look at the breeds on the CWU publication confirms everything being said by those of us who want proper action taken against these dangerous dogs.

I trust we won’t hear any more nonsense about killer chihuahuas, children left alone, negligence, not the dog’s fault, ‘deed not breed’ blah blah blah.

I don't think it's that idiotic, that statement to be honest.

I don't, either.

Yes looking at that list clarifies the situation on what type of dogs do the most damage.

You really can’t argue with that.

If it truly was just owner influence then we’d have a complete mixture of breeds and sizes....

I don't think it's that idiotic, that statement to be honest.

I didn't mean the statement was idiotic. Although I do wish people wouldn't have them if they were unable to pay for lifesaving treatment if needed.

I dont think the list given does clarify actually - as with the labrador example, certain types of people, the irresponsible ones who want a status symbol, are drawn to certain breeds.