Boy 10 mauled to death at holiday park

[Witchofzog]

I can't link on this phone but it is on most news sites. The owner was found off site after a police hunt so possibly fled when she knew her dog had killed a child. It's just awful - a young boy probably just going to the loo in the middle of the night on a campsite having his life ended because of a dangerous dog and an owner who can't control and/ or keep it securely away

Are there any campaigns currently operating?
what is the best way to bring things to the attention of local MPs?
Most of us carry phones with us all the time so what about snapping pictures of dogs that look problematic and sending them to..... dog wardens?.....police?

Makes me laugh that people are upset at my comments. The numbers of children killed by dogs is low. That is a fact whether you like it or not. If the moronic mother had done her job properly the boy would most likely be alive.

Humans abuse, injure and kill FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more children than dogs ever will. What is anyone doing about that? Far too often is a stepdad that commits the awful acts.

Now we have some loon saying dogs should be banned from parks and beaches. Well dogs are already banned from most beaches during the summer, supposedly because of dog crap. Obviously it's fine that the beach is littered with plastic, dirty nappies, bottles etc. So all the dog owners who do clear up after their dogs get penalised because of a few

This is a thread about dangerous dogs, it is not a thread about the harm that humans do to each other, nor is it a thread about litter on beaches
No one is disputing the problematic nature of those things, but this thread is about dangerous dogs

I am hoping as the awareness increases of how much keeping pets like dogs and cats/other carnivores contribute to climate change, that the numbers of people keeping dogs etc will reduce.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/8/4/16094674/cats-dogs-meat-diet-greenhouse-gases-climate-change

Apart from service dogs, there really isn't the justification to keep them when our climate is in such trouble. Yes they are nice and good company etc but think of the good of the planet.

Dogs that “look problematic”
Stop trying to start a witch hunt to destroy any animal you simply don’t like the look of.
That child should never have been left alone all night with that dog. His mother and the owner of the dog made a shitty decision. A child died. If they hadn’t been so irresponsible then he would still be alive.

I do understand why dog owners feel defensive, I understand you're emotionally attached to your pets

What of the many people, including children, who are attacked by dogs and who have not been at all negligent?

(Not that I think negligence around dogs should allow for situations where anyone should suffer anyway: the situations simply shouldn’t be capable of arising. But we have to deal with what we have before we make changes.)

All dangerous objects are regulated in the U.K.- guns, drugs, vehicles etc. They are either banned or you need to be licensed to weed out the total nutter.

For those making the point that adult humans harm more children than dogs- yes, that is why you have to be CRB checked to work with children.

More than one child has died recently in a dog attack. That suggests that there are ignorant people out there that should not own dogs. This is not a one off. There needs to be tighter regulations about who can own dogs and more education about how to safely keep dogs (with added benefits for dog welfare and safety). Not sure why any reasonable person would oppose these measures.

Dogs are not humans. Because we regulate the access of dangerous humans to children. But dangerous dogs and their owners are apparently exempt because ‘look at his fluffy little face’ 🙄

It is true that cars cause much death and suffering, accordingly there is legislation which controls use and ownership of vehicles, there are speed limits you can't just drive around in a tank etc

Similarly we need legislation to control the use and ownership of dogs, a subsection of which constitute dangerous predators

humans do cause a great deal of harm to each other, this is a terrible problem, we have legislation to deal with it, undoubtedly more needs to be done but this is a subject for a different thread

Something like this would be useful, can only find this American log from 2014 though!

That’s 30 years worth, not a year!

Statistically there are as many deaths by dog mauling as by gun in the U.K. per year. But the dog deaths are disproportionately children.

I think legislation could take the form of a dog register- all dogs microchipped. And a paid licence, including mandatory dog (and owner) training course. This could help remove the issue of dogs farmed for money and clueless people picking up dogs with no record of their background from places like gumtree.

I think all breeders (pure or not) should be registered. Puppies should be registered at birth. If we really love our animals then we should put some work into making sure they live decent lives in caring homes.

Statistically there are as many deaths by dog mauling as by gun in the U.K. per year. But the dog deaths are disproportionately children.

Wow. And presumably the number of serious but not fatal injuries inflicted by dogs is far higher.

Guns and dogs are different. Most guns are illegal in this country so anyone holding one has already proven they are willing and able to break the law.
And there are far far fewer guns than dogs.
My dog is my companion and has helped me out of depression. And you can’t see their value at all?
Penalise the fuckwits who breed irresponsibly or buy off Scumtree or fail to train and exercise their dog or leave it alone with a tiny child.

@Redpostbox so I take it then you don't drive? You are a vegan? You don't buy any products in plastic packaging? You don't drink coffee, eat chocolate? You never use public transport? You never have the heating on in your home?

You are the perfect human being! Congratulations!!

This thread is about dangerous dogs, and disgraceful dog owners!

Start a new thread if you want to go on about climate change. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread!

We are all trying to find a way to stop innocent children being killed.

Well some people are just here to scream hysterically that all dogs should be killed.
Dogs are only dangerous when owned by idiots who refuse to see they could potentially hurt someone or who fail to keep them under control. It’s the people who are at fault.

@Wolfiefan

What I am suggesting would limit the number of irresponsible sales on Gumtree. How would this prevent you from having a dog? Just buy a license and pass a check and take your dog to dog training. Hardly prohibitive. If people can’t afford those things then they can’t actually afford to properly keep a dog.

And there are far more guns in the UK than you realise. The only form of firearm completely banned is hand guns and fully automatic weapons. You can get licenses for semi- auto. But it is a long old process to get one. Where I live almost every other household had a shotgun for sport or pest control purposes. None of these people are criminals and I trust them to be responsible because they have passed stringent checks.

Morons and maniacs shouldn’t have access to guns, explosives or dogs. All three can and have been used as offensive weapons.

Many many households have dogs.
Not so many have guns. The point being that if you hold an illegal firearm then you’ve already shown how much you value the law.
I have absolutely no problem registering or microchipping (already law) or training my dog. I’ve already said I have worked really hard to ensure she is safe and well behaved.
What some lunatics here are demanding is banning of all dogs or all large dogs.
The kennel club won’t act. The government won’t do anything useful either. There is no political will to do anything about the type of people who are irresponsible and have dogs that behave dangerously. Breed legislation won’t stop people being hurt by dogs.

So your solution to children being killed by dogs is?

BTW- there are 1.3 million firearms licenses held on the U.K. A lot more than most people expect.

Licensing dogs would create a similar method of weeding out those with criminal intent and the people profiteering off in humane dog breeding. Surely it would make it easier to close puppy farms.

When we applied for a rescue cat via the RSPCA, we were thoroughly vetted, interviewed. We were checked that our environment was right for her so the second interview took place in our house. I'd had experience of cats, dogs, rabbits in my past but fully appreciated the RSPCA checking us out as suitable pet owners as she'd experienced some trauma when she was born, told what to expect in her behaviour and ensuring we understood all health and safety aspects, creating the right environment for her etc.

Does this happen with dogs?

How many pets are bought now through random internet breeders, as well as people buying them because they're a trend and don't know whattF to do with them afterwards?