I am disgusted at the Madeleine McCann/Shrek debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigmamie]

I have joined this site solely to remind all you thoughtless, forgetful, selfish ba#@ards that Madeleine McCann is missing!!!!!!!! I cannot understand how anyone can sit with their arms around their own children, in the comfort of a cinema whilst feeding their children popcorn and Coke that there are lots of mothers in this world who cannot do this. Their children have been taken from them and I wonder if any of you had the money or the resources available to them, I wonder if you would have campaigned this long or this hard for their daughters return. I wish the McCanns every success and only wish I could physically find their daughter for them. I am taking my 6 kids to see Shrek tomorrow and I hope my cinema is still showing the Madeleine film. I hope the publicity generated stays in your faces for a long time to come. Tell me, if she passed in front of you down at the shops or at the park could any of you be bothered to actually tell someone. Or are you all just to happy in the knowledge that its not one of your children. There but for the grace of God............

Actually chikenmother, no one even knows if it was 'pervertes' who took the child. It could have been someone who wanted to bring up a child as their own daughter.
Or it could have been aliens. For all anyone knows.

aliens? someone to grow up a child? a stolen child?? Isn´t it pervertion? There are no aliens in Algarve, I`m sure, and a girl doesn´disappear like that for no reason or by herself. Someone took her away, what else could have happened?

Her and thousands of others Chikenmother. That's what riles me. All these cases are terrible, and 99% of them go pretty much unreported. Actually, I think the relentless campaign has reached saturation point and could be counterproductive.

Well, parents cannot turn the world as beautifful as it should be. If it rains and there is a flood outside you cannot prevent your child to see what´s happening. I Cannot change the world, I can only stand by my children and do my best. This is our world, unfortunately wrong and sad and violent. We can only try to help our kids to live in it the best way they can - but not away from reality...

By the way, the marina is very far away from the appartments on Praia da Luz, no way she could get there by herserf...

It seems that there are alot of us who disagree with the withdrawl of madeleines ad from the cinemas. Im glad alot of us have told the cinemas to keep it on!
Im still shocked and suprised that so many of you want it taken off but at least now there is a recognition that there is also alot of us who want to keep it on.
Whatever it takes, whoever it upsets this campaign must continue. If it upsets your child then you are just going to have to learn to live with it and deal with it!
Life is ugly im afriad and noone wants our children disturbed by such news but what can we do? Hide it from them? i question how long you would be able to keep the secrecy up. A younger preschool child is obviously easier to keep protected from such information. But, children who attend schools and mix with other children and their conversation is unsupervised will undoubtedly find out some snippets of information.
My question still remains for those parents who do not want their kids to know of anything about it, how will you feel if they hear or overhear some of the story and have it twisted up in their head as to what happened to madeleine. I still wholeheartedly beleive that discussing it with your child asap before they learn of it by themselves wouold be the preferable option.
I do agree that the wording of the ad should be tailored to suit a younger child so as not scare them unduley but children cannot be hidden from the story - its a very hard task to achieve. I know for a fact that my daughters school (she is 6) have talked of madeleine and prayed for her safe return in the school assembly. Also the kids talk to eachother, older ones talk to te younger ones etc, so i just cant comprehend how some parents beleive they can keep it a secret.
Im glad i chose to talk to my kids when the story first broke, im glad they have the facts from the start and therefore cannot be twisted out of proportion in the playground. Im also glad that they knew at the earliest point as anything they may or may not hear from that point will not be new shocking news that may agreeably have upset them. Im glad the news came from me the reassurring parent who can put it into the right perspective, and can be there to discuss their fears at the time when they learned of it.
Of course none of us want our children to know that such horrible nasty things can happen but this is the real world! We do not live in a fairytale.
Much to some of your amazement, because i told them about it doesnt mean that it go on and on and on about it it was very brief and i have not mentioned it again since unless they have bought it up.
I hope that maybe an agreement can be made where the ad continues to be shown but the wording changed to suit a younger child. But i think some parents here are very hard to please and they do not want their kids to find out any of the story which to me is ridiculous!
The greater the publicity the more heightened the awareness and the greater the possibility of finding the poor kid. If it were my daughter id want everyone to be looking for her and not to forget what she looked like - i would not care at all for those kids who were upset at seeing her face at the cinema. Its purely the wording that should be edited.

Yes Haychee, And by the way AbRoller we are not 'thick as shite'. Haychee I hope you have remembered, to use puctuation.

We were slated on another thread by these people.

As I was saying, the advert was aimed at parents, NOT CHILDREN. I think you are all over reacting, beacuse children would have taken no notice at all of this advert anyhow. I certainly know mine were too interested in their popcorn.

And by the time the film had finished, after seeing Donkey and Shrek they would have forgotten about it.

And by the way I am not a trolI am a fucking OGRE who is going to eat your children.

"Whatever it takes, whoever it upsets this campaign must continue."

And you see that is the point on which we differ. If it was my child missing of course I would want to do anything and wouldn't care who it upset, that doesn't mean I should be allowed to. I do not believe that the tiny, infinitesimally small chance that the advert shown before an audience of young children would directly result in finding Madeleine alive justifies upsetting and frightening young children. If there was a good chance that it would then yes, it probably would be justified, but surely anyone can see that the chance that it would help is incredibly remote ?

"Im glad the news came from me the reassurring parent who can put it into the right perspective, and can be there to discuss their fears at the time when they learned of it."

That's exactly the point some of the parents on this site have been trying to make!

Don't you see haychee - showing the ad with no warning, just before a film, when there would be no opportunity for discussion straight afterwards took away the right for parents to do as you have described?

your wasting you breath trying to explain yourself fan. SO many people have tried to explain about the wording but they dont WANT to listen. banging your head against a brick wall mate.

I know, I was so reluctant to post that last message and feed the troll but FFS, glaringly obvious or what?

Still, she hasn't replied - maybe she is actually rethinking her position....

Then again....probably not.

me thinks that the trolls are the same person

Ah, kind of Jekyl and Hyde type thing..

Anyway - I'm officially removing myself from all this Shrek/Madeleine insanity. Isn't there a pledge to take somewhere?

NKF - lol at the frontlash!!!! And I love this new concept of bolloxology
part of why mumsnet is priceless, and the Skygroupy trolls will never get it...

Haychee, you said

" I question how long you would be able to keep the secrecy up. A younger preschool child is obviously easier to keep protected from such information. "

Well that is the point isn't it? The majority of the parents that have protested about this are concerned about younger, pre-school children.

I have told my 4 yr old a very watered down version of events (I wish I hadn't now because she was upset about it) but I very deliberately kept from her the information that Madeleine was taken from her bed. That is information that a 4 year old does not need - knowing it will not protect her from "stranger danger", or wandering off. I want her to feel safe and happy in her own bed, much as I did as a child, and maintain that every parent has the right to decide what their child needs to know.

This has been so blown out of proportion - everyone comes charging in to protect the McCanns but nobody is attacking them. I bet they haven't told the twins that Madeleine was abducted from her bed.

haychee you are contradicting yourself:

"It seems that there are alot of us who disagree with the withdrawl of madeleines ad from the cinemas. Im glad alot of us have told the cinemas to keep it on!
Im still shocked and suprised that so many of you want it taken off but at least now there is a recognition that there is also alot of us who want to keep it on." so you want it kept on then?

and

"I still wholeheartedly beleive that discussing it with your child asap before they learn of it by themselves wouold be the preferable option." that is what we are saying. Those children who saw this advert with no warning, before a film, did not have the chance to discuss it

and
"Im glad the news came from me the reassurring parent who can put it into the right perspective, and can be there to discuss their fears at the time when they learned of it" you are glad the news came from you - but what about those children who saw it for the first time in the cinema?

and

"I hope that maybe an agreement can be made where the ad continues to be shown but the wording changed to suit a younger child." Yep, again that is what we are saying - no child should have heard 'snatched from her bed (and anyway we dont know for certain that is what happened)

and finally
"If it were my daughter id want everyone to be looking for her and not to forget what she looked like - i would not care at all for those kids who were upset at seeing her face at the cinema. Its purely the wording that should be edited." so you dont care about upsetting other children....... but you do want the wording edited. Huh??

and as for 'not forget what she looked like'. Not bloody likely - she's everywhere (and rightly so) but our kids aren't going to be the ones that find her - and I doubt very much she'll be found in UK. Maybe this film (with 'snatched from her bed' removed) should be shown on planes shortly before landing abroad.

Haychee is speaking utter, utter nonsense. She's not listening, just going round and round and round in circles, contradicting herself. There is no point in trying.

There is however the point that the only reason she was taken from her bed, (if that was the case) is because there was no adult there with her so surely if any little ones are upset by the wording this needs pointing out to them that mummy and daddy won't be leaving you apart from with another adult that they know if you have to go out, there is a big difference and my children accepted that quite happily because they know we would never leave them.

Message withdrawn

I'm trying cod. I re-pledge every couple of hours, but these sky news fury driven idiots are sooooo annoying. You just forget there are such thicky stubborn people about.

Haychee
please calm - breath deeply...
you are so determined that you are right and everyone else is wrong that you seem determined to not actually listen to what anyone disagreeing with you is saying.
My child is 4 and is also called Madeleine - hearing her name on the news and seeing it on the front pages of papers means we have had to have brief and age appropriate converstaions about the fact that she is missing and lots of people are trying very hard to find her.
The wording of the ad would have frightened her. I object to the ad because of its wording primarily but I strongly empathise with parents who object to this issue being thrust at their children without their being able to 'control' it. I can't think of a single post objecting to the ad being shown at films aimed at children older than pre-schooler.
The muppets shouting that a concern about this ad equates to a lack of sympathy for missing Madeleine are morally repugnant. And freaky mum is a FULLY qualified bolloxologist.

BTW my Madeleine has already had a couple of Miss Marple moments when people ( always women of a certain age) start at her name and then siddle close to have a peer at her eyes. I always try to resist the temptation to hum the pink panther tune as i know they are well intention - but does freak poor daughter out a little

Seriously though, when is the Boden sale on?

?whatever it takes, whoever it upsets the campaign must continue?.

Right I?m gunna get lynched for this but I don?t care.

If Madeleine Mccann had been taken from the playground of the resort she was staying at, or snatched from the beach, or from by the pool when her parents had turned their backs for a split second there would have been a far greater argument for this sudden need to tell our children about stranger danger, but she wasn?t. If Madeleine Mccann had been taken from her bed while her parents slept in the room next door there would have been the need to be ultra cautious and to be made super aware that your apartment could be broken into even if you were there, but she wasn?t.

Madeleine Mccann was aledgedly taken from her bed when her parents, the two people who should have been there to look after her, weren?t. It doesn?t matter if you believe it was right or wrong, the fact is, Madeleine?s parents had made a deliberate decision to leave their three small children unsupervised, with no baby listening, no babysitting, no way of knowing if one of those children woke up and cried or wandered out of the apartment to look for them. But we?re not allowed to say that, because it might upset the Mccanns who, of course, have nothing better to do at this point in time but to trawl the internet for threads such as this one.

But if Madeleine Mccann had wandered out of the apartment and had been hit by a car or had been found in the swimming pool there would have been outcry both from the media and the public, as to why such small children had been left alone while the parents dined in a restaurant. The media response would have been vastly different imo to the point that there would have been calls for changes in the law etc to protect young children from such fates. But because Madeleine Mccann is still missing it?s wrong to question. In fact not only must we not upset the Mccanns any further but it?s ok to upset our own children because not doing so might upset the Mccanns.

I feel for the Mccanns and I wouldn?t wish what they are going through on my worst enemy, but I do not believe that this campaign should continue no matter who it upsets, millions of children could see this ad and be upset by it, Madeleine is only one child, a child who is missing partly because of her parents decision not to look after her on the night in question. I, and most others on here wouldn?t leave our children unsupervised in such a way, thus there is no need for our children to know about being snatched from their beds.