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Don't normally post on these type of things but this makes the law seem an ass.....

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KTeePee · 16/05/2007 07:36

I was to read this today - and I bet the parents of the kids at the school are none too pleased either....

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KTeePee · 16/05/2007 07:37

(Assuming the facts as reported are correct, obviously...)

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whomovedmychocolate · 16/05/2007 07:37

Blimey! That makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

You wouldn't leave an alcoholic in a brewery and expect things to be fine would you?

Imawurzel · 16/05/2007 07:38

OMFG

KTeePee · 16/05/2007 07:39

Must have been awful for the school not being able to tell the parents until after the court case.

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fryalot · 16/05/2007 07:39

I'm sure that the facts are correct.

They changed the law on tied cottages a few years ago, to stop farm labourers losing their homes when they were laid off by the farm, and this would probably come into the same category.

It's stupid, daft and bloody awful. I am sure that now all the parents know, though, they will start a vigilante campaign and he will be gone very soon.

sniff · 16/05/2007 07:43

It makes you wonder when are archaic laws are going to be updated for modern society doesnt it

a paedophile living in a school on one hand and yesterday a child in court for throwing a piece of cucumber at his mate its just ridiculous

ilovebob · 16/05/2007 07:46

That is shocking. But at least parents know now I suppose... Although I'm sure that's scant consolation to them. I find it ridiculous that he was allowed to move into the school property before the CRB check came back though - surely that defeats the whole point of the CRB to an certain point?

hippipotami · 16/05/2007 08:08

I agree ilovebob. But was it not in the news a year or so ago that there was a huge backlog on completing these checks so schools were forced to hire staff before the checks were completed.
So probably not the schools' fault.

fryalot · 16/05/2007 08:10

that said, a rl friend of mine was waiting to start a job for three months - the job was hers, but until the crb check came back, they wouldn't let her start. They were desperate for her, she was desperate to work. She was working with adults with learning difficulties, as well, not small children.

Luckily, it did come through eventually and she started the job, but as I say, they had to wait for months.

fryalot · 16/05/2007 08:11

(and she had a crb check, but they wouldn't accept it, they insisted on doing another one)

TeeJaye · 16/05/2007 08:55

I'm not sure if it's law or certainly in regulations that every organisation needs to carry out their own CRB check. I say this because I'm currently CRB checked because I work in a school but in order to volunteer at my son's Cubs, I had to get another one done.

paulaplumpbottom · 16/05/2007 11:26

Didn't you know the law was there to protect the criminals?

homemama · 16/05/2007 12:37

Whilst this is really worrying, I think the judge was correct not to have him removed until he was convicted. He is legally innocent until the verdict says otherwise.

I have no sympathy for paedophiles but it doesn't matter what he was charged with, in December he wasn't convicted of anything.

It's a shocking situation but the government must take responsibility or ensuring that CRB checks are carried out more swiftly to avoid such situations.

charliecat · 16/05/2007 12:39

Farking eck. Did they give him the job THEN do the checks?

edam · 16/05/2007 12:45

Sniff's right, we have children arrested, held and placed on the police DNA register for life for nicking 49p from the corner shop, compared to a paedophile who the courts insist must live on school premises! Ludicrous. We seem more bothered about criminalising children for trivial offences that should be dealt with by the parents than protecting them against sex abuse, FGS.

I know he wasn't convicted back in December, but surely there should have been a way to put him in temporary accommodation while the case was heard. You'd suspend a teacher facing these kind of charges so they had restricted access to children.

IdrisTheDragon · 16/05/2007 12:46

I heard that on local radio this morning (we're not that local to it).

homemama · 16/05/2007 12:54

I agree he should have been moved off the premises but unlike a suspended teacher, he has a tenancy agreement which gives him very clear legal rights.

I'm not saying it was correct ethically or morally or even just common sense, but it was the correct legal decision.

As the op suggests, the law's an ass!

IdrisTheDragon · 16/05/2007 12:56

At first I did wonder if he was living in a school field, or somethign like that.

edam · 16/05/2007 14:44

I know re. the tenancy agreement, seems to suggest schools now have to be much more careful about employing someone in a job with accommodation before CRB checks come through. I'm in Herts. so this story is very close to home.

LostPuppy · 16/05/2007 14:46

All convicted paedophiles should be shot. no second chances. You dont accidentally abuse a child and you cannot be cured. And even if you could be, tough shit, once is more than enough.

unknownrebelbang · 16/05/2007 17:21

The court (dealing with the criminal matter, not the tenancy matter) could have remanded the man in custody whilst awaiting trial.

The court could have remanded him to an approved premises/bail hostel.

The court could have bailed him to another address.

The man, whether innocent or guilty, did not have to remain in the property.

edam · 16/05/2007 17:43

Good point rebel.

paulaplumpbottom · 16/05/2007 22:27

What have the parents done?

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