OMG. Anybody just seen GMTV? 3 yr old girl abducted on holiday on the Algarve.

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kate said reports just in, cant find anything on bbc.

bloody awful.

Wouldnt leave my 2 alone in such a situation and they're the same age. Not cause I'm worried about kidnapping, but only because I remember waking up while my parents had left me and my little brother alone while they had gone for a drink around the corner while the neighbour was keeping an ear out. I was so upset because I could not find my parents and they had not told me that they had gone out. I cried my eyes out and so I would never do that to my own 2.

Oh and of course the whole thing has been on my mind ever since it hit the news. My dd is the same age and I cannot imagine what anguish the parents must be going through. My thoughts really are with them, whatever I may think about their decision to leave their lo's asleep alone.

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god who cares what any of us would do

debate totally inappropriate imo

uttermadness: "surely anyone who is clever enough to time an abduction so carefully as to be sure it occurred when no one was in the area, and to target a particular child like that, isn't so stupid that they then wouldn't show up for work the next day and immediately shift the suspicion on to themselves?"

BUt that's what people who plan crimes sometimes do!

E.g. Banking: people spend years perfecting the ultimate way to siphon off a load of dosh then don't come into work. International transfer to foreign account and flight out of the country that evening.

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sue not turn up for work and get out of the country yes, but not turn up for work and stay in the area? surely not. it's one thing to know you'll be a suspect but to be miles away, where you might be able to get a new identity and where you can lie low until all this dies down, but it's quite a different matter if you plan to stay locally. but then I guess it depends on the motive for the abduction. if it was for child trafficing purposes or because you were a desperate childless person then imo you'd get out as quickly as possible. if the motive were more sinister and there were no live child at the end of it you might stick around and hope you were never caught.

utterMadness, I don't know you and I really don't mean to be rude but I am finding some of your posts on this thread deeply insensitive.

You don't know who of the little girls family and friends may be reading this, and talk of a body etc is just really too horrible at this time.

Have skim read a lot of this thread and read many opposing posts.

I think people are being extremely harsh on both sides.

People such as Uttermadness are entitled to their opinion - surely, whoever started this thread didn't just expect a bunch of MNers to come on here and basically all post the same message of how tragic and sad it is.

It will envitably raise the question of whether or not leaving your children unattended in a hotel room is unacceptable.

Rhubarb, you earlier lengthy post contained the words 'smugly smothering' which I find extremely offensive. You stand in judgement of people who would choose NOT to leave their children unattended in a hotel room - as much as I disagree with these parents I don't judge them as you are doing to others

Having read various news reports my opinions and thoughts are these: I believe there is more to the story than is being reported, I personally think leaving children aged 2x2yrs and 3 is irresponsible but I am sure with hindsight these poor poor parents now are greatly regretting this decision (I in no way BLAME them or think they should be charged for doing such a thing) but there are laws in this country about leaving your children unattended in your home so why should it be different on holiday???

I feel so so sorry for those poor parents and hope desperately that this little girl is found alive, safe and well.

Some of you have been very judgemental of these poor parents for leaving the children.
I am sure this family are thinking WHAT IF and having to deal with so much.
While the lovely mumsnetter can all sit back and pat yourselves on the back whit how clever you all are as you have never done anything that could have turned out badly.

I am sure this family will be glad to know the holier then thou mumsnetters who protect their children from the evils of sausage rolls and fruit shoots have been judge and jury over the right or wrongs of leaving the children alone.

Just so as we are all clear I take t that anyone who posts they have lost a child will meet with the same "well it was their fault" mentality. Cot death well must have let baby get too hot or too old or laid wrong, still birth well must have done something wrong in the pregnancy, special needs, must be something the parents did/did not do, can't get pregnant well must be their life style, partner fun off, well they can't have been a good wife/girlfriend.

Then you can all sit back and rejoice in how fucking clever and perfect you are, that it has not happened to you.

Here here Vera.

No news Fio !

it is getting to the point now when I am beginning to fear the worst

very well said vera

Me too Beetroot - but hopefuly there is a lot that we don't know, hopefully the police have a lot more info than they've released.

These parents acted as they thought best at the time. If anything they are "guilty" (please note quote marks) of complacency and of being in "holiday mode". But we can all slip into complacency and holiday mode and perhaps do things abroad that we would not dream of doing in the UK.

I sincerely hope she is found, all we can do is hope for the best.

Veraduckworth - I for one am not a holier-than-thou Mumsnetter. I believe in smacking, early weaning, a few sweets never did any harm and where's the problem with a sausage roll?

I'm not 'fucking clever and perfect' as you so eloquently put it just a mother with an opinion which is exactly what MN is all about.

If you read my post properly - I desperately desperately am hoping and praying that this little girl is found safe and well.

im not getting into the whole obvious argument.i have my own views.BUT i cant stop thinking of this poor tiny little child, i wish i could hold her and tell her shes going to be alright, i strongly believe(dont know why?) she IS alive but i just hope whoever has taken her hasnt harmed her in anyway and sees the good sense and understanding to let her back into her paretns arms, cant stop filling up about this , my dd was 4 two weeks ago, this precious little girl is four next week, if i, a total stranger can feel so upset about this i couldnt begin to imagine how her parents must feel, i couldnt go on without my daughter, i really couldnt..god help her, make her safe and bring her back hometo her family.

well said vera
wilkie - vera probably hadn't even read your post, not unless she's a really quick typist

For Goodness sake - it could have happened HERE - it could have happened from their own house whilst they were watcing TV !!!

It was a crime !! Bad people commit crimes - the parents did nothing to encourage the crime !

Focus on the real issue which is GETTING HER BACK SAFELY - not blaming anyone except the b***d who took her !

It goes without saying surely that everyone wants to see the little girl returned to her family. I also think that people run the eating out scenario through their minds and think "would I do that?" and "have I done that?" and "what do I think about that?" That's human nature. If your answer is different to the one the parents made that doesn't make you holier than thou or smug. I don't think so anyway.

what about the story a while back about the little girl abducted from her own bathroom while mum was in bedroom, its a very scry place we live in, 200yards, 2 feet?

Exactly !