OMG. Anybody just seen GMTV? 3 yr old girl abducted on holiday on the Algarve.

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kate said reports just in, cant find anything on bbc.

bloody awful.

im wondering if babylistening was on offer then presumably its a bit of a risk to go into a room to steal a child unless you know there to be no baby listening going on?

I hope she's found soon ... alive and well.

I have resisted posting all day on this.

According to the BBC, her parents had rejected the baby listening service.

And.............I am sorry I am going to be judgmental here. There was a great big fuck off hedge between the dining area and the villa.

Presuming the BBC were accurate that is just too shocking for words.

Sherlock true but not the time surely?

jampot but from what I've read on here it was one nanny per floor that went round every 15 mins? Or was there some sort of monitor available too?

Sherlock you not the only one many others said they didn't use listening service either but they have to live with that decision.

As I read it the baby listening service, unlike a Mark Warner hotel, was a creche thing - instead they chose to leave their children sleeping in their own beds, on the reasonable assumption that they would be better there than presumably picked up and moved hours later.

The hotel listening service would not necessarily have precluded this anyway.

This is every parent's worst nightmare and presumably could also have happened during the night while the parents slept in the next room?

Please don't judge.

Noddy

I will not fall out with you about this and tonight there are parents aching/grieving for their baby, but on my radar the risk assesment would have not ticked any boxes.

All day I have been thinking ...... a restaurant 100 yards from the villa and you can see the villa, well maybe just maybe for a quick drink but not a meal.

Did you see the BBC report ?

You are all quite correct.

But when I saw that hedge my stomach turned over. I will not post any further on this thread.

Was is the listening service? Still not sure.

Something like this could have happened even if someone else had been asleep in the room. Remember Caroline Dickinson? She was in a room full of people and still some perv rapes and kills her. Lets not blame the parents when they're going through something none of us can even imagine.

On waking this morning my first thoughts were with this family. I woke early & couldn't get back to sleep, needing to know of any new news. I came on here to see what, if anything you all knew.

But nothing....

Not even on BBCWorld....they are more interested how some foriegn branch of Tesco uses solar power as it's sole electricity source.

I pray they are reunited soon.

but you can't compare something like this happening with if it had happened when the parents were asleep in the room next door. if someone breaks into your house while you're there, you're there, and the chances of it happening and you not hearing and being able to prevent someone taking your child are remote at the very least. but if you're not even there you are not even in a position to prevent it from happening.

they chose not to use the baby listening service. why? they ate in a restaurant where they could not see the apartment, why? In the papers they have been described as extremely protective parents, so why would they suddenly throw all caution to the wind and leave their children alone, unsupervised, in a place where they could neither see nor hear them? this whole case has something extremely sinister about it. none of what has been reported makes sense. Why would such devoted parents, who have been reported as never letting their children out of their sight suddenly do so in a strange place? unless this wasn't a straightforward abduction...

i think peoples guard goes down on holiday - lots of friendy staff around etc
how long were they at the resort before this happeded?

Oh FGS wannabe, what are you suggesting? That the parents were complicit in their child's abduction? You are using extremely emotive language ("caution to the winds") and it sounds as if you think the parents are involved. Am I reading too much into your posts?

On BBC24 the reporter showed exactly where the apartment was compared to the restaurant. You could not have kept an eye on the place from the restaurant, not just a big hedge but several large bushes and a wall between it and the apartment. The apartment was right next to what looks like a busy road and the window the police were at was at the back of the building.

Sorry, hard to not be judgemental, that would have had every alarmbell I have ringing no way to leaving dts there. Accuse me of smothering them if you will but at 5 I think they are still too young to be left alone. Definitely would never have considered it at age 3 and under, not just for abduction but what about fire too?

This is totally different from that recent case locally where the 3 year old slipped out of her back garden to the play park behind and unfortunately died in an accident on the slide. That was a case where it was a tragic accident.

Wannabe Dh & I have just been discussing those points and I do feel a little unsettled about the reports, but maybe that's the lack of info being released.
Is it possible she knew the person, I wonder and that's why noone noticed anything unusual?
Goodness only knows what she's going through
We don't even use the kids clubs during the day, but I guess we're odd. I wonder if there were others in their party checking on the kids.

Cant we just stop the accusations, put yourselves in the parents shoes for a minute, it is a living hell for them right now, I think some sensitivity is needed here, lets just focus on that poor little girl and pray for her safe return, there is a chance the parents could come across this thread at some point, they could even be members.

saw the news on sky - so sad
they mentioned a couple carrying a young child in the early hours cauught in someones headlights who looked liked they did not want to be spotted.

Wasn't making accusations, just highlighting that the area wasn't really that secure, certainly not enough to leave young children in.

Anything could have happened.

God help them but the parents will be wishing they had taken that listening service but even that doesn't sound particularly safe. It doesn't do anyone any good to start going on about accusations, as I said before in these circumstances, as parents you think "what would I have done?"

Have just seen the appeal on Sky News (UK).

Very hard to watch.....

I was'nt aiming that at anybody in particilar.

Oh lord this is so

Am off to bed, god I hope thers some good news by the morning

It is the not knowing. Pure torture and I don't even want to imagine what it is like.

Is Portugal as family orientated as Spain is? Hopefully that would mean that she will be found and quickly.

I watched Human Trafficking last year, gave me nightmares about how easy it is. I hope that isn't the case. Truly, truly terrible.

Poor little pet.
Have to admit, dh and I did something similar at BIL's wedding, ds1 and ds2 were asleep in the hotel room 3 floors up and I popped in every half hour so see if they were OK.