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Oh FGS - what a stupid stupid woman

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RosaLuxembourg · 05/04/2007 13:21

Catherine Bennett on homebirth in the Guardian here

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Tigana · 05/04/2007 13:24

was there a contest to see who could get the most long, poncey words in the opening paragraph of their article - or wot!

deasterjags · 05/04/2007 13:25

There has already been a thread on this today Rosa.

deasterjags · 05/04/2007 13:26

here

Yurtgirl · 05/04/2007 13:27

I cant actually understand what she is saying!!!! Loads of words I have never heard of before

Certainly dont feel inclined to start buying the guardian - Clearly I dont know enough long unintelligable words

SueBaroo · 05/04/2007 13:30

So many things wrong with that, I don't know where to start. My first was a homebirth, and my daughter was safe, well and home in a normal environment. My last was a highly medicated hospital birth that I can't even remember clearly because I was so damned high on drugs. I know which one looks more like a fetish to me.

madamez · 08/04/2007 22:48

I can't, to my irritation, actually read the piece of the link as it keeps crashing my system. But as far as I know, it's not that big a deal to get a home birth if you're healthy and there are no known extra risks with the pregnancy.
Of course, that isn't enough for the sort of Viz Modern Parents type of bucketheads who, despite various clearly-indicated potential problems, insist that doctors are all part of an establishment conspiracy and the use of antibiotics, ventilators and such evil fascist conspirator's tools as washing one's hands occasionally, are just corporate medical mind control, man....
The Blair governmnet are bound to start pushign home births. They're cheaper for the state, first of all - and they appeal to the gloopy-eyed wankers who want to peddle superstition as an answer to social problems: home births are 'natural' (just like arsenic, digitalis and hemlock) and it's easy to foster a sort of dumb atavism about Woman the Elemental Mother around this kind of thing (childbirth without any medical intervention or so much as a clean towel to wrap the newborn is is such a wonderfully earthy and spiritual experience that only a third of women who experience it die of it. Honest. That;'s not that many, really...)

Of course, the other reason why not everyone is going to fall over themselves with delight at being 'empowered' to have a home birth is that a lot of people's home's aren't great for giving birth in. Fancy setting up a birthing pool in a bedsit? Or a hostel? Or somewhere that's infested with rats, freezing cold, or where the power's been cut off or might go at any minute because, since you started labour, you haven't really felt up to going down to the shop to recharge your powerkey and don't want to ask the midwife to do it (because anyway, you can't afford to recharge it for another week...)

EllieKthePA · 08/04/2007 23:16

for madamez

text of guardian article ........

While women in the developing world are dying in childbirth, why are we fetishising doing it at home?

Catherine Bennett
Thursday April 5, 2007
The Guardian

Even if earthly arrangements were, in every other respect, irreproachable, human parturition would be fatal to the theory of intelligent design. Unless, as someone has recently speculated, God is a psychopath as well as a top designer, who chose to punish women for original sin by tearing up an earlier scheme for pain-free birth. Whatever the reason - divine malice, or the evolutionary conflict between big brains and pelvises tilted for walking upright - the consequences for at least 529,000 women a year are fatal. The World Health Organisation has estimated that this may be only half the true number.

As you'd expect, the deaths are unevenly spread. "In some developing regions", the WHO reported recently, "a woman has a one in 16 chance of dying in pregnancy and childbirth. This compares with a one in 2,800 risk for a woman from a developed region." A risk so low as to seem, to many women in those developed regions, completely negligible. Natural childbirth campaigners routinely challenge what they perceive to be the pathologising of childbirth with their mantra, "pregnancy is not a medical condition". Such is the hostility to medicine among some natural-birth enthusiasts that doctors are presented as a greater risk to a mother's health than childbirth.

The organisers of Aims (Association for Improvements in the Maternity Services), for instance, provide for women whose GPs have identified them as high risk (and thus ineligible for home birth) this template letter to the local director of midwifery services: "I have carefully considered the risks of home birth and compared them with the risks of hospital birth and I am not prepared to risk my, or my baby's health, by being delivered in hospital." Other mothers are so opposed to intervention that they aim for "freebirth", or unassisted childbirth. Aims informs them that this very traditional choice (last popular when our ancestors were still crawling) is perfectly legal: "The woman herself cannot be prosecuted for birthing her own baby."

If freebirth remains a minority interest, the principle that - for western women - satisfactory childbirth involves far more than a safe delivery has long been mainstream. It underpinned the Department of Health's Changing Childbirth in 1993, and was repeated this week, with Patricia Hewitt's offer of home births for all: "We want it to be as safe and satisfying for every woman in every part of the country as it can be."

An insincere promise, obviously, given that many maternity units are still appallingly understaffed (as well as dirty and ill-equipped). And a rash one, perhaps, given that "satisfying", to certain mothers, now means an episode of ecstasy. "Labour can be pleasurable, not painful, and it sometimes builds up to a crescendo at birth," an independent midwife explained recently. The least ambitious alumni of natural childbirth classes are likely to plan, if not an actual crescendo, a combination of a pool, dimmed lights, whale music, and a drug-defying triumph over pain that will transform the humdrum business of childbirth into something heroic and meaningful.

So long as their babies are safe, there is, of course, no reason why Britain's birth fetishists should not attempt, and then advertise on dedicated websites, their prodigious feats of home-dilation, and skill in outwitting anxious midwives: "My hubby got the waterproof shower curtains out at this point." There seems no reason, however, why this peculiarly middle-class form of self-absorption should be indulged by the rationing, supposedly rational NHS. Merciless when denying life-prolonging drugs to cancer patients, indifferent to pensioners who are still being humiliated on mixed wards, Hewitt has instead prioritised the demands of that limited group of women who believe that state-funded childbirth should be tailored around their own lifestyle choices, as set out in bossy, novella-length birth plans: "Please keep the room as quiet as possible during the second stage," goes a suggested plan by home-birth advocate Angela Horn. "I would like to minimise distractions at this time. If you need to discuss matters with the second midwife, please could you do so very quietly and preferably out of earshot!" There is little evidence on the websites of this kind of demand emanating from pregnant women who live in cramped or uncomfortable conditions, for whom a stay in hospital might even be welcome.

With the end of home visits by GPs, is there another condition to which the NHS will respond by sending out one, or two, sometimes three specialists to spend hours in the patient's home? While terminally sick and elderly patients are dispatched to die among strangers in medic-free wards, Hewitt has accepted that our sturdiest, most articulate primigravidae should be encouraged to summon medical staff to their sitting rooms, for reasons which, when they are not to do with the sacred, or personal self-esteem, seem largely to relate to convenience: "It was perfect, being able to relax and recover at home, instantly, knowing everything was at hand ..."

Including the emergency services. Even with high-risk patients (resentfully) excluded, home birth is risky. When complications do arise, the outcome "is likely to be less favourable" than in hospital (The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence regrets the poor quality of evidence on relative safety). And sometimes, even the most fanatical home-birthers have to accept that natural isn't synonymous with safe. "Our own birth story was as far from perfect as we could have envisaged," posts a mother whose home birth was replaced by a caesarean, following a diagnosis of pre-eclampsia. "My overwhelming feelings in the 48 hours after the birth were of failure." The baby, you gather, was completely fine.

madamez · 08/04/2007 23:34

Thank you EllieK. Kind of interesting in that someone or other in the Observer today was making the point that advocating home births is something the government would like because it's cheaper than investing money in maternity wards.. yet CB seems to say that the home birth movement is an excessive use of resources (in the terms of sending medical staff to your home).
When I was pregnant I was 'encouraged' to consider a home birth: my responce was on the lines of "f... right off!" At the time I lived in a small one-bedroomed flat piled high with books, stock and reseach materials. And I was over 35, and hypertensive... I wanted a hospital bed and plenty of monitors and easy access to emergency medical care.

If you do have a trouble=free birth in your own home, you probably do become an advocate of home birth, and that's kind of fair enough. Anyone who's home birth experience ended up in a panicky dash to casualty and a caesarian might be less enthusiastic about the whole idea next time round (thinking of such treats as shoulder distocia here...)

Most people have only a very limited idea of how their bodies work at any given time wehich is why any old pile of hippy bollocks and/or dubious scientific theory that hasn't been properly tested, can suddenly turn into What Everyone Knows. Would like to see some properly researched, peer-reviewd, fully-disclosed studies on the risk of home birth before it becomes received wisdom that it's somehow Better (because there's enough crap already going around which boils down to, if you're not somehow trying to suffer and expeirence pain and despair, you must be a Bad Selfish Mother).

EllieKthePA · 08/04/2007 23:38

my mw started off suggesting it to me too, took one look at my face and never mentioned it again

skibump · 08/04/2007 23:52

Hmmm, but lots of the stories I've heard of hospital births have been pretty frightening - insufficient staff to administer an epidural even if one was requested (45 minutes ago...), women forced to labour lying on their backs etc. I was really lucky (in a midwife led unit) and had a fantastic experience. Of course I'd rather have the medical backup, but if that option's not available next time then I'm seriously considering home birth as pretty much the only way to guarantee the availability of a birthing pool....Is that so stupid?

RosaLuxembourg · 09/04/2007 00:10

I am biased certainly as I had one horrific hospital birth and two excellent home births. My personal view is that it was the amount of unnecessary and badly-timed intervention in hospital that made DD1's birth so awful. I was trying to give birth in a standing position for one thing because that was the only way I felt it was working for me, which the midwife in charge had not problem with and then a consultant charged uninvited into the room, ordered me up on the bed for monitoring, got all sorts of drips stuck into me and I was stuck in this position where I couldn't seem to use my body at all and the whole labour just stopped. I really believe that if he had not happened to come along at that point I would have given birth much more easily.
In contrast, my two home births seemed to go much more smoothly because the midwives talked to me and helped me find a way through the difficulties. DD3's birth would certainly have required a great deal of intervention if we had been in hospital.

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3littlefrogs · 09/04/2007 17:40

I trained as a midwife in the seventies. We had a lovely, midwife led unit - visited by community midwives and local GPs visiting their own patients and occasionally delivering them, but fully staffed by hospital midwives and student midwives.

It was just along the corridor from the consultant led labour ward, so any problem, help was close at hand. Women were very carefully screened and monitored all through their pregnancies and there was always the option of transferring to hospital care if it was considered necessary by the woman's own midwife.

It seemed to me then to be the best of both worlds.

We used to do home deliveries too, but there were sometimes difficulties with staffing levels even in those days.

zookeeper · 09/04/2007 17:55

couldn't get beyond the first paragraph - doesn't the Guardian have an editor?

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