More abusers jailed in Rotherham

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-38845332

"Six men have been jailed for sexually abusing two girls who they plied with alcohol and cannabis.
One girl was 11 when the assaults began and was made pregnant at 12. The second girl was 13.
The offences took place between 1999 and 2001 in Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
Two of the defendants shouted "Allahu Akbar" as they were led from the dock after sentencing."

"In an impact statement read to the court, the victim said: "There's evil and truly evil people in the world. I feel my child was the product of pure evil.
"I was drawn into a world of fear, rape and horrific abuse, I lost my childhood at the hands of those men."
She described how she was shunned by many in her community and felt "completely owned by these dirty old men who would do with me whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted"."

Agree with Penelope that there is a cultural issue with how these girls were seen. White girls were seen as slags. Just to repeat, this is not saying every Pakistani man thinks this way or that groups of white men who engage in rings of abuse don't but it does appear to be a factor in these cases.

Not all the girls were vulnerbale and in care. I heard an interview with a mother who said they were from a normal home and had to move to Spain to escape a gang as they had sucj a hold on her daughter.

My point is, what was that made these seperate groups who's only similarity appear to be from the same part of the world commit such similar crimes on this scale?

Agree with your argument about whit men racoon and if we were in the 80s when all the children home scandals were coming out the question would be what makes a group of people who's only similarity is the fact they work in childrens homes get together and carry out these crimes?

Anyway, I am off to bed. Good night.

A lot of the Rotherham lot were family members/friends and British born.
The similarities are they are child abusers.

Are you asking the same question of the white British pedophile rings?

As I keep saying what makes these groups similar is their need to sexually abuse. It is not cultural or age related or race related. They come together because they abuse. That is the common factor.

No one is saying it is race related. But there may be some elements which are culturally related. There is a difference.

But that can be said about any of the abuse scandals I listed. They were committed by white uk men. Were they cultural?

Oh and yes some are meaning race related they are just using the word cultural as they think it sounds better

Do you not think it's possible that although there is misogyny in all cultures, some may be more so than others? Would you rather live in the UK or Afghanistan, as a woman? Not wanting to give white sex offenders a free pass, but street grooming gangs are a specific type of offender.

www.news.com.au/national/rapist-may-soon-be-free-13-years-after-skaf-gang-rapes/news-story/711bab3d3d81e2471a9402a2bf52c52e
A similar story from Sydney, but over a much shorter timeframe.

It's very naive to think that culture and religion have no influence on male attitudes towards women and girls. And that race is irrelevant when nearly all the victims are white. And that being 'British born' basically means their family's culture is irrelevant and has no impact on their behaviour.

Unfortunately it is cultural.

If you look at the perception of women in Pakistan it will make sense. Also look at child molestation in Pakistan as well, while usually done to homeless boys it is very prevalent in their culture/ society. And boys are chosen because women are off limits there. In Britain where woman are more readily available they abuse their preferred gender.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VlzlBlT2PlM

And we know not all Pakistani men are Of this persuasion.

Oh my god. I've just watched that Pakistani Shame video. They're all so casual about sodomising 8 year olds. That bus conductor needs stringing up.

I think it is a issue with a sub culture that has grown in northern towns. Pakistani men in other parts of the country aren't doing the same. Clearly some are in certain towns.

The abusers in the yew tree investigation have mainly been white men. It doesn't mean all white men are abusers.

Should have also been treated as a hate crime. If it was white men abusing Asian girls it would have been. Racism works both ways.

In the article about Australia in my post above (please read it - it's very interesting!), they also said it was a hate crime.

Read it Penelope. In this day and age people still have such attitudes. I dispar.

It's not confined to just northern towns, that's where this was 1st brought to light in the UK but it's all over the country - Derby, Bristol, Oxford, it's everywhere. Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands to name some of the places in Europe too.

It is cultural, and it happens in many conservative cultures, my sister briefly went to a school with a high number of children from a background where dating was strictly forbidden. The parents of these children knew each other and they knew very well and they knew those girls would be off limits or there would be consequences so they targeted the white girls instead, these were considered easy, who according to their parents were out of control and had no morals, there were girls at her school who would be followed home daily having comments thrown at them, one set of boys slowly followed us home in their car once, she was pulled out of there very quickly after that.

these kinds of crimes were allowed to be perpetrated unchecked , because of fear of being seen as racist.

The odd thing is, that people of minority ethnicities in the UK are not having this experience of lots of figures in the police/local government/officialdom treating them conspicuously fairly or even favourably because of this apparent fear of being seen as racist. For me and everyone else I've ever asked it's the same old same old, i.e. discrimination by a significant minority who have no qualms about displaying their prejudices in plain sight AT ALL. And who are not pulled up on it by non-racist colleagues.

So I really cannot take that excuse/explanation at face value. I think it is being trotted out because other white people tend to believe it, not because it is true. And as a cover for the genuine reasons for inaction: class prejudice, misogyny, laziness, corruption, ineptitude and most frighteningly, indifference to the sexual exploitation of children as long as it is not their children being exploited.