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Britain's new cultural divide is not between Christian and Muslim, Hindu and Jew. It is between those who have faith and those who do not.

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bossykate · 26/02/2007 16:46

fascinating article in today's guardian.

here

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DominiConnor · 02/03/2007 10:02

Science can't teach you that God does not exist.
There is no contradiction between science and a belief in God. The diffrence is that science does not accept that the opinion of any person is infalliable, whereas organised religion does have this as a central belief, and where it has the power enforces this view by the most extreme violence it has access to.

ruty · 02/03/2007 13:07

my dad has had both kind of experiences you talk about nearlythree. I would like to talk about the experiences i have had on this thread but feel it is the wrong place to do so

Clarinet60 · 02/03/2007 13:09

You're not wrong there, Ruty!

ruty · 02/03/2007 13:16

funny that eh Droile?
I should clarify that I mean God may not be just supernatural, or may not be supernatural in the sense that many people think of God - as this separate, external power. Anyway. I'll shut up now. I thank you.
[didn't mean to take the mick about the sex magick sophable - was more about the thought of it linked to my parents - sorry! ]

Rhian101 · 02/03/2007 13:48

DC have just had a look online to find out why moslem isn't used anymore. The muslim community discourage its use due to the fact that it is often mispronounced and thus sounds like another word which means 'oppressed', so of course they use it amongst themselves, since they can pronounce it. Therefore there is no reason why you shouldn't use it in its written form - except for the fact that it may encourage others to use it orally.

I was not offended by your use of it, I merely thought it was habit and ignorance on your part (mine too insofar as I was previously unaware of any controversy surrounding the word, I just considered it outdated).

I can think of many examples of words that are perfectly acceptable when used by a member of the group but offensive when used by an outsider. Carry on as you see fit.

UnquietDad · 02/03/2007 13:50

I'm still at the idea of talking to a vicar about "sex magick".

I'm not realy sure what it is, though. It produces an image in my head of Paul Daniels and The Lovely Debbie McGeeeeeee, which I REALLY want to lose.....

DrDaddy · 02/03/2007 13:58

UQD - I like it....not a lot, but I like it

UnquietDad · 02/03/2007 14:04

"Now THAT'S sex magick"

DrDaddy · 02/03/2007 14:33

From the sublime to the ridiculous...amazing how a serious thread has gone from serious point, via much intellectual navel-gazing, to Paul Daniels...
I'd mention Hans Moretti (bald-headed guy who always seem to be on the show), but that would be taking it too far....
DOH!
Well, it's Friday!

Heathcliffscathy · 02/03/2007 14:48

gits

ruty · 02/03/2007 14:54
Grin
DrDaddy · 02/03/2007 14:56

I should start another thread on this really, but didn't Paul Daniels take Spitting Image to court and successfully sue them over their portrayal of him and the lovely Debbie McG when he was divorcing his first wife? It was a long time ago....

DrDaddy · 02/03/2007 14:57

1987 or 8?

ruty · 02/03/2007 15:02

[cue wind whistling through a deserted thread.]

DrDaddy · 02/03/2007 15:03
Rhian101 · 02/03/2007 15:21
Clarinet60 · 02/03/2007 18:18

Ok folks, lets wrap it up. It's been real.

DominiConnor · 02/03/2007 18:20

Rhian I've seen why some Chinese in America think Moslems are offended by it. I am less than convinced.
Have you something that resembles evidence ?
Hint: Undergrad Chinese working for lobbying outfits don't count.
The argument about pronunciation is tenuous, like many English speakers, I pronounce both forms the same.
I'm quite happy to admit ignorance of the precise way Arabs pronounce certain words, but that is contingent upon evidence...

Lots of words sound vaguely like lots of other words, and I certainly not going to change my use of language on the off chance that someone mistakes my Hertfordshire accent for Arab.
As for the "Moslem Community", if there is any basis for this, it strikes me as people just trying to find some way to be offended.
The idea that I would research slight coincidences in Arab pronunciation to offend them is just silly.

DC have just had a look online to find out why moslem isn't used anymore. The muslim community discourage its use due to the fact that it is often mispronounced and thus sounds like another word which means 'oppressed', so of course they use it amongst themselves, since they can pronounce it. Therefore there is no reason why you shouldn't use it in its written form - except for the fact that it may encourage others to use it orally.

I was not offended by your use of it, I merely thought it was habit and ignorance on your part (mine too insofar as I was previously unaware of any controversy surrounding the word, I just considered it outdated).

I can think of many examples of words that are perfectly acceptable when used by a member of the group but offensive when used by an outsider. Carry on as you see fit.

ruty · 02/03/2007 19:17

or not Droile.

Rhian101 · 02/03/2007 20:47
edam · 02/03/2007 20:51

DC, the native Canadians of the West Coast were not 'riding for a fall'. They had abundant food sources and a thriving and highly developed culture, particularly in terms of art. Until the white people turned up...

ruty · 02/03/2007 20:55

no they were just kidnappers and racists edam. Good job the white men got rid of em, eh? [sorry, i couldn't help myself.]n Dr Daddy, come back, all is forgiven...

Rhian101 · 02/03/2007 20:58

Please? I want to talk about Debbie McGeeeeeeeee

DrDaddy · 03/03/2007 20:58

Are we still going on this thread??

DrDaddy · 03/03/2007 20:59

I loved Mrs Merton when she had Debbie McGee on.
"So, Debbie McGee. What was it that first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?"
Classic.

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