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Ched Evans signs for Chesterfield.

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11122aa · 20/06/2016 15:25

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36575406
I am a bit surprised by this. Didn't expect any team to hire him until after the retrial has happened and then only if he was found not guilty. What's everyone's else reaction. It's all happened really quietly compared to last time.

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OnionKnight · 21/06/2016 16:50

Yes he is allowed near children, why wouldn't he be?

I'm not sure where PrettyDumb pulled that from but it's a pretty apt Mumsnet username Grin

prh47bridge · 21/06/2016 17:56

if retrial results in him being jailed he'll lose the job

The retrial will not result in him being jailed. The rules are that the new trial cannot increase his sentence. Therefore he has already done his time.

He was found guilty

His conviction was quashed on the basis of fresh evidence which was not available at the time of the trial. He is therefore innocent until proven guilty. We still don't know the nature of the fresh evidence and won't find out until the retrial.

DetestableHerytike · 21/06/2016 17:57

That's unkind Onion.

People on the sex offenders register (as he was but isn't right now) are restricted from being round kids sonerimes.

EnolaAlone · 21/06/2016 20:27

He's being paid 2k a week by Chesterfield. The club is being very badly managed at the moment and fans were unhappy about other decisions made before this.

Ched Evans and his mate aren't disputing the series of events on that night - his mate was looking for a drunk woman on her own in town, found one, text Ched 'got a bird', took her to a Premier Inn, had sex with her, invited Ched to come and have sex with her, whilst two of their other mates filmed it on mobile phones, Ched left through the fire escape, mate left the woman passed out drunk in the hotel room.

The behaviour of Ched and his friends and family throughout this has been appalling. And several of them have been fined for naming the woman online. So regardless of whether he is found guilty of rape on the re-trial, he is not someone who Chesterfield fans want to be supporting at matches, paying his wages and having his name on their shirts.

VikingVolva · 21/06/2016 20:38

I doubt he'll be on the SRO unless and until there is a conviction. At the moment, he's on bail, pending a rape trial.

He's approaching 30, and down to League One football (Division 3 in old-speak). His footie career is over, regardless of outcome of the trial. Because he's been out of the top-flight game for too long, and there are plenty of talented young players (with no pending court cases).

meditrina · 21/06/2016 20:40

"Therefore he has already done his time."

He hasn't done his time. The custodial part has been served, but wasn't he still on licence? Shouldn't that be reactivated for the unserved time if re-convicted?

DetestableHerytike · 21/06/2016 20:41

He was after his original conviction but I guess he's off pending the new trial.

Surferjet · 21/06/2016 20:43

I agree that most clubs would have him, it's only public opinion that stop them.

TheDowagerCuntess · 21/06/2016 20:44

I'm simply horrified at the prejudice you are demonstrating

Really?

That is what horrified you about the whole sorry mess?

WellErrr · 21/06/2016 20:44

Is that the Ched Evans who has non consensual and unwanted sex with inebriated strangers, but reckons he isn't a rapist Ched Evans?

That bastard?

VikingVolva · 21/06/2016 20:46

"I agree that most clubs would have him, it's only public opinion that stop them."

I wouldn't be so sure. A promising player from yonks ago is not remotely the same prospect now he's been out of the game for several years. Even if he's had good training on the quiet, he's missed years of match play experience. There are always good, young (untainted) players coming through, why go for older and PR toxic?

AyeAmarok · 21/06/2016 20:50

Bad move by Chesterfield. Regardless of whether ot was technically rape in light of this apparent new evidence that means he needs a retrial, it was despicable behaviour anyway and I have no idea why any club would sign someone like him.

11122aa · 21/06/2016 20:56

Well we saw in 2014 how many clubs wanted him. He is bound to get an tv interview after the retrial if he is fund not guilty where he will dig some more holes along with the girl's name trending on twitter with the amount retweeting it despite the police warning of prosecutions.

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IcyTeaAndScoopyScoopyDogDog · 21/06/2016 21:02

That poor woman had to move and change her whole life 5 times I believe due to Scum Evans and his supporters.

prh47bridge · 21/06/2016 21:04

Ched Evans and his mate aren't disputing the series of events on that night

They would dispute your version of it. For a start they both deny that either of them was looking for drunk woman on her own. Evans clearly behaved appallingly as did his friends but there is no need to make it worse by claiming they have admitted things they have specifically denied.

The custodial part has been served, but wasn't he still on licence

Yes, if he is convicted he will be on licence. I was using "done his time" in the sense of completing his time in custody which is, I think, what most people understand by the term. Provided he does not breach the terms of his licence he will not go back to prison.

prh47bridge · 21/06/2016 21:07

Is that the Ched Evans who has non consensual and unwanted sex with inebriated strangers, but reckons he isn't a rapist Ched Evans?

That is prejudging the retrial. Evans maintains that the sex was consensual.

it was despicable behaviour

Agreed.

magoria · 21/06/2016 21:07

i never understood why his GF stood by him.

He admits he happily went back to a hotel room, had sex with a drunk woman who he had never met directly after his mate. Did he use and protection?

Who knows how many times he may have done this to her before.

EnolaAlone · 21/06/2016 21:33

When interviewed by police, Evans said he and McDonald "could have had any girl" they wanted in a nightclub they had been to. He told them: "We were drinking, having fun there. It’s not uncommon we pick up girls. Clayton’s an attractive guy. We are footballers, that’s how it is. Footballers are rich, they have got money, that’s what the girls like."

Feenie · 21/06/2016 21:37

You can't have consensual sex with someone so drunk that they fall over in a kebab shop, lose their handbag and wake up in a puddle of urine.

LilacSpunkMonkey · 21/06/2016 21:39

Wrt the consent, didn't they both say, when interviewed by the police, that they thought the other had gain consent from the girl?

So neither of them thought it important to get consent themselves?

Pair of complete wankers.

And to the poor bloody woman in the middle of this - I still believe you.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 21/06/2016 21:48

I will be interested to see what the new evidence is that led to the original conviction being deemed unsafe and therefore quashed. According to The DM Hmm, Chesterfield were made privy to it while they were deliberating over whether to sign him or not.

And Chesterfield's current manager is the man who was manager at Sheffield United when Evans played there...

meditrina · 21/06/2016 21:52

"And Chesterfield's current manager is the man who was manager at Sheffield United when Evans played there..."

Yes, I wonder too if that's the only reason that someone who's been out of league football since 2012 managed to get signed for anyone.

11122aa · 21/06/2016 22:35

Well if the new evidence is so damming( and it would have to be evidence of perjury having happened in the original trial to be that convincing that a jury would 100% find not guilty I suspect) then they wouldn't be a retrial anyway as the CPS would give up. So chesterfield cannot know by the new evidence what the outcome will be

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prh47bridge · 21/06/2016 22:49

Wrt the consent, didn't they both say, when interviewed by the police, that they thought the other had gain consent from the girl?

No. McDonald had sex with the victim first. We only have his word as to whether he got her consent. However, the jury appears to have accepted that she consented and was not too drunk to consent.

Both agree that the victim was asked if Evans could join in. They disagree about who did the asking but both agree that the question was asked and the victim said yes. They also both agree that the victim asked Evans to give her oral sex before they had full sex.

You can't have consensual sex with someone so drunk that they fall over in a kebab shop, lose their handbag and wake up in a puddle of urine

The Court of Appeal said a few years ago, "where the complainant has voluntarily consumed even substantial quantities of alcohol, but nevertheless remains capable of choosing whether or not to have intercourse, and in drink agrees to do so, this would not be rape". That is the test. Falling over and losing things may not mean you have lost the capacity to consent. And if she was too drunk to consent it is odd that McDonald was acquitted.

I still believe you

I keep seeing this said in relation to this case. The victim's testimony is that she has no recollection as to what happened. She has not at any point alleged that she was raped.

Feenie · 21/06/2016 23:03

Offences » Consent

Sexual Offences Act 1956
Sexual Offences Act 2003
Statutory definition of consent
Reasonable belief in consent
Sexual Offences Act 1956

The Sexual offences Act 1956 contains no statutory definition of 'consent'. Juries must be told that the word should be given its ordinary meaning, and that there is a difference between 'consent' and 'submission'.

Lack of consent may be demonstrated by:

The complainant's assertion of force or threats;
Evidence that by reason of drink, drugs, sleep, age or mental disability the complainant was unaware of what was occurring and/ or incapable of giving valid consent; or
Evidence that the complainant was deceived as to the identity of the person with whom (s)he had intercourse.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/consent/

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