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Is Brexit Press Coverage Skewed?

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STIDW · 23/05/2016 14:03

An independent study released today found 45% of the articles surveyed baked leaving the EU with only 27% in favour of staying. Most pro-leave articles appeared in The Daily Mail, closely followed by The Daily Express, The Daily Star, The Sun and The Daily Telegraph.

The Times was relatively balanced, while the most pro-remain articles were published by, in order, The Daily Mirror, The Guardian and The Financial Times.

reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/study-shows-majority-press-coverage-eu-referendum-campaign-was-heavily-skewed-favour-brexit

Problem is Infacts (journalists making the fact-based case to remain) claims each has published a string of stories on migration, terrorism, crime & control of our borders that contain factual mistakes &/or distortions & reported 8 of the worst examples of inaccurate or misleading stories to the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

infacts.org/hateful_eight/

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fidelix · 24/05/2016 23:37

Farage is absolutely part of the elite, he is like the court jester, the one allowed to say the stuff that the Tory Party all think but aren't allowed to say publicly. He and UKIP play an important role for the right-wing elite in spreading divide-and-rule.

fidelix · 24/05/2016 23:42

You totally misunderstood my post, claig.

Of course the people voting for far right parties were opposing immigration - but to go back one step, why do you think there was so much immigration in the first place? Do you really think the elites in Europe couldn't figure out that the populace would object to loads of swarthy Others coming to their shores and attacking their women etc?

Of course they knew - that's why they invited them in in the first place.

The far right aren't the saviours of those running from the policies of the elites - they are the elite in different form. The flight to the right was the intention of the elite in the first place.

The aim is to destroy the post-war consensus of social democracy. and it's working pretty effectively so far. Steve Hilton is probably very pleased.

claig · 24/05/2016 23:42

The elite don't care about the people. They use "divide and rule" and they don't mind going to war with Russia even. They don't ask the people, the people who will suffer. They think the people are stupid.

Stev Hilton says they are an "arrogant" elite. Watch the EU bureaucrats as they lecture the "little people", us, about what is in our best interests.

All over Europe and now in America, populist movements are toppling elites and removing stooges and they still refuse to listen and continue to lecture us and they still roll Blair out to speak to us and give us the benefit of his bank acoount and wisdom. They are not listening and if it carries on, it will get worse and worse and populism will keep growing.

They delayed it in Austria. Postal votes, which are notorious for being able to fiddle, saved them. But they can't postpone judgement day forever. They have to wake up and smell the coffee and realise that populism and Trump and Corbyn and Farage and Sanders are all on the world stage because no one is listening to the people. The servants in office are only serving the elite.

fidelix · 24/05/2016 23:43

As I said, fascism is corporatocracy. The elites are very happy. Yay for TTIP and all that. (Farage is a fan, as you no doubt know).

claig · 24/05/2016 23:55

'Of course they knew - that's why they invited them in in the first place.'

I agree 100%. It is the elite's policy, they don't care what the people think and if they dare to oppose the elite, they call Farage and the people "racist" and even "fascist" for daring to do so. The EU says that it will refuse to deal with the Freedom Party even if the Austrian people elect them, just as it refused to allow left wing Syriza to implement the left wing policies the Greek people voted for. They don't care about the people's will or democracy, they are above all that, they know what is best for the people.

'The far right aren't the saviours of those running from the policies of the elites - they are the elite in different form. The flight to the right was the intention of the elite in the first place.'

No, I disagree with that. If that was so, why is the BBC and all the Establishment stooges so against Farage and why in the US were they all against Truimp, as of course is the BBC too. They are scared stiff of Trump and Farage because they oppose all the stooges. The elite are pro EU, they are trying to hold their establishment club together, they are frightened to death of Farage and the Freedom party and Marine Le Pen and of Pim Fortuyn, who was assassinated 9 days before an election, because they know that if that lot get in, it will be the end of the EU. That is all they care about because it allows them to implement their plans for the people such as TTIP etc without ever consulting the people and it allows them to control 28 countries and if they decide to go to war against Russia, they will have fines and pressure for any country that doesn't want to play ball.

'The aim is to destroy the post-war consensus of social democracy. and it's working pretty effectively so far. '

No, they are desperately trying to hold their progressive consensus together and to go further along their planned path but they are meeting resistance from the people and the populists. Blair wants to drive it further and he can't understand why the Labour members have rejected him and prefer Corbyn to him. They are losing, it is slipping out of their control, the pesky people don't agree with their agenda and the only hope they have is as Blair said to "create a muscular centre" to force more of their crap on the people.

They hate Trump, they fear him. He will tear up their global free trade deals, he says their global warming is a hax and is bullshit. They are having panic attacks, because while they can bully our stooges, they can't bully Trump and they know that if Trump wins, it is all over for all their plans. That is why every meeting Obama has with foreign leaders is taken over with their concerns about Trump. They are bricking it. It is real. they didn't plan this, this was not part of their dream, this is their nightmare, the rise of the people.

claig · 25/05/2016 00:02

' Yay for TTIP and all that. (Farage is a fan, as you no doubt know).'

Farage is against TTIP, as is Trump because they are both for national sovereignty. It is all the stooges from oxbridge who are for it all.

At the end of the day, Farage is not in power, and even if he was, if Obama was in power (someoen for TTIP) then Farage would struggle to go against it.

But, and this is why the world leaders are having kittens, Trump is against TTIP and TPP and NAFTa, so Farage wil fit right in and it is all the Oxbridge stooges whose noses are now out of joint.

The whole world is about to change. I have predicted from the beginning that Trump will win unless something happens to him. If he wins, it is all over for them, the EU will collapse too because Trump won't give two hoots about it and all the populist parties will be free to oppose it and that will be the end of all their schemes and dreams.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 08:54

Sorry, but multi-millionaire Eurocrat Farage is no man of the people, any more than multi-millionaire Trump is a man of the people. Farage has repeatedly said he prefers to end the NHS, he is no supporter of what will benefit the ordinary man in the street. Trump is a crook, the only one Trump supports is Trump. Only a fool would think that Trump gave a damn about the little people. He is self-evidently one of the elite.

If he gets in, we can be pretty sure of WWIII, as his entire rhetoric is about stoking up anti-Muslim hatred, and what goes around comes around. At the moment, US immigrants (Mexicans and Muslims) are pretty well integrated in the US, but if Trump gets in you can expect a lot of justified anger from previously peaceable immigrants. Which is ironic, given that America is a country of immigrants!

fidelix · 25/05/2016 08:56

The reason anyone with any knowledge of history opposes Trump and the far right is because they remember what the end goal of the far right is. And it isn't pretty.

If Trump is the solution, then the solution is definitely worse than the problem. Your medicine is supposed to make things better, not worse.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 09:01

The problem in America is growing inequality, with a small elite (like Trump) increasing rapidly in wealth while the lifestyle of ordinary middle and working class Americans declines.

The solution is to resolve that inequality (and no, Trump is the last man on earth with an interest in doing that).

It is not to blame the immigrants, because they didn't create that inequality (and indeed suffer from it too). The immigrants are largely irrelevant, certainly in America, which is, after all, a country in which all bar a few hundred thousand native Americans are immigrants. America has always been a melting pot. Homogeneity is a fiction in the US.

Those who blame the immigrants are doing that deliberately, in the hope we won't notice while they raid our pension funds, reduce our wages, remove our social protections. It's a handy scapegoat. That's all.

claig · 25/05/2016 09:10

Trump is a symptom of the problem. Trump is a solution in overthrowing the elite who have created the problem. You have to look at world events and politics dispassionately and ask what is going on, in the way that Steve Hilton does, and you have to be prepared to learn and adapt and change, as Steve Hilton has done. He gets it and he gets the solution of the people's discontent with the one percent, this elite who refuses to listen to the billions of ordinary people whom they take for granted.

Trump is overthrowing them, overthrowing the elite, toplling the crap. He was at a rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico, last night and he has lost none of his ability to scare the one percent to their bones. He said

"we're being scammed and we're not going to be scammed no more"
"the system is rigged and I'm going to end it"

That is why Trump is the solution to the problem the elite created by ignoring the people.

As the golfer, Jack Nicklaus, says

"Jack Nicklaus says Trump is 'turning America upside down,' and he likes it
...
"I like what Donald has done ... he's turning America upside down," Nicklaus told CBS' Jim Axelrod. "He's awakening the country."

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/21/jack-nicklaus-trump-turning-america-upside-down-and-he-likes/84699022/

And as even the servant of the one percent, the Establishment favourite, Oxbridge Blair understands

"Tony Blair admits he is baffled by rise of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn
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It’s partly an anger for sure at the elites, a desire to choose people who are going to rattle the cage."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/23/tony-blair-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn

Trump is going to do a whole lot more than rattle their cage, he is going to dismantle it and retrun power to the people. That is why all the media, the BBC and the Oxbridge stooges fear that they will lose their influence over the people, and that is what the EU also fear as every referendum and election nears.

claig · 25/05/2016 09:11

'It is not to blame the immigrants, because they didn't create that inequality'

No one blames immigrants, they blame the political class of establishment servants who allowed uncontrolled open borders.

80Kgirl · 25/05/2016 09:22

I agree with you to a point fidelix. I think it is mostly economic. But, high immigration will have an economic impact. Some segments of society will benefit from it, others will bear the burden.

claig · 25/05/2016 09:28

Steve Hilton was Cameron's mentor, his "brain", and now he has been brave enough to see what was wrong. He is a PPE from Oxford and yet he understands what is happening. Someone up there gets it, someone up there is listening.

"Ex-Cameron aide attacks establishment 'bullying' of Jeremy Corbyn

Steve Hilton says he found ‘much to welcome’ in Labour leader’s ascent, and predicts victory for Donald Trump in US
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Hilton believes Corbyn’s popularity reflects the same anti-establishment forces that have propelled Donald Trump to a compelling lead in the US Republican primaries, and allowed the avowed socialist Bernie Sanders to run Hillary Clinton far closer than many commentators expected.

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“I think that Corbyn’s success, just as the success of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, is a reflection of this frustration that people have that whatever they do, in terms of voting for different parties, nothing much seems to change,” he said.
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In language that could equally be used by Corbyn’s lieutenant and shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, Hilton said: “It is a technocratic elite of bankers, bureaucrats and accountants that push a particular agenda, which is all about centralisation of economic power in the hands of fewer and fewer big businesses, and centralisation of political power, which means that people at grassroots level feel they have less and less control over the things that matter to them, and people are getting more and more fed up with it.”

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He believes Trump, rather than being the extreme figure that US liberals fear, would help to tackle some of the deep-seated problems in the country’s political life.

“I think that he’s going to win,” Hilton said. “I think it could be a really refreshing change, frankly. That doesn’t mean I agree with everything he’s saying, but I very much agree with the arguments he’s making about the rottenness of the current system in America.”

He added: “Trump makes really, really powerful arguments, for example in relation to healthcare. He talks about the cartels and the concentration of power and the health insurance companies effectively having monopolies and ripping people off.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/24/ex-cameron-adviser-steve-hilton-attacks-bullying-of-jeremy-corbyn

The whole world is going to change. Blair and the gang of cronies serving the one percent are powerless to stop what is happening and the EU's days are numbered too, however many Establishment helpers they can find to warn the people of doom and destruction if we dare to leave. We might not make it this time, the forces of the establishment, the BBC and the cronies may beat us this time, but they can't beat the people forever. We are going to win.

Winterbiscuit · 25/05/2016 09:32

Steve Hilton will be on MN for a Webchat tomorrow Smile

fidelix · 25/05/2016 09:36

80Kgirl - of course high immigration will have an economic impact. But a) that's hardly the fault of the individual immigrants themselves and b) the impact caused by total immigration is a drop in the ocean compared to the impact caused by a kleptocratic elite.

It's not poor immigrants competing for jobs who are squirreling away billions in off-shore tax havens.

Immigration is a handy red herring - look, he's stealing 20p an hour off you in wages, due to increased competition! Just don't look while I sell off all the company's assets! Don't look while I raid your pension fund for 571 million pounds (not naming anyone! Grin )!

it's a red herring in another sense, too - in a globalised world, wages can be undercut by workers who have never been to the UK, as work is outsourced to cheaper countries. Properties in the UK can be sold at higher prices to people who have never set foot in the UK.

We could have no immigrants and it wouldn't change a thing - we'd still have low wages, a shortage of housing, etc.

As long as capital is global (which is is), it makes no difference at all if the foreign workers or house buyers live in the UK or not.

claig · 25/05/2016 09:37

Yes, that should be very interesting. He has been up there at the top, in the top circles of power, he knows how things work. And he has the ability to think outside the box, to see the positives in Corbyn instead of as our Conservative party described him as "a danger" etc.

I don't expect the stooges to listen to him, I expect Blair and the gang to try and cling on, but at least someone is articulating what is going on.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 09:40

But the elite wants them here - because it helps with the divide-and-rule policy. They know workers here will start complaining if wages drop and housing is unaffordable. But if you can point to an Other with dark skin/funny habits, who's moved in next door or works at the next desk, you can blame him. Very handy.

Of course members of the elite like Trump do very nicely out of foreign labour, thank you.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 09:43

claig - oh come off it, "No one blames immigrants, they blame the political class of establishment servants who allowed uncontrolled open borders."

Do you really expect us to believe that? Have you not read the Mail recently? The Daily Hate works very well,, very well indeed.

claig · 25/05/2016 09:53

People don't vote for or against the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail are not in government. They vote for or against the cronies who are running our system. They are the ones to blame for what is happening in the economy, with the bank bailouts, with loss of sovereignty, with not providing real democratic representation, with handing over the people's sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable bunch of bureaucrats that we can't remove and with allowing open borders.

80Kgirl · 25/05/2016 09:56

The "elite" want them here because low wages enrich people at the top of the corporate heap.

It's simples:

Globalisation is a process of levelling the world out, by through goods moving through trade, or people moving through immigration.

There are winners and losers in this great levelling. The losers are: the working class in industrialised nations, and the petit bourgeoises in the developing world. The winners are: corporate multinationals and the 0.01% who are making a tidy sum arbitraging this great flow.

You have to expect that the losers are going to baulk at some point. In the industrialised world the working class has been told some variation of "it's your own fault. You sound wrong, you behave wrong, you are stupid." I think they have had enough.

The "elites" in the West could never quite exploit the general population as much as they would like to because of democratic structures and processes. Now they are able to import inequality through porous boarders and freer trade. The rich haven't been so rich in over a hundred years and inequality in the West hasn't been so great since the gilded age.

So, it's hardly surprising that the common people in the USA and the EU are using democratic processes to try to get someone to attend to their interests, and it's not crazy to think that it is in their interests to tighten the borders. I understand why "Fortress Europe" or "Fortress America" won't work. But I also understand why it is appealing. The people can only influence what happens within their country's borders. The have no control over how the rest of the world behaves. It's a bid to contain the problem and get their own house in order.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 10:02

There is some truth in what you say, claig, in that thankfully people don't always toe the Daily Mail line on immigrants, eg in electing Sadiq Khan and rejecting Goldsmith's politics of hate. But it's not for want of trying, not for want of "he's a brown person who associates with other nasty brown people" headlines.

The idea that the government we have would provide perfect 'sovereignty' to the people if only we weren't in Europe is touching, but misguided. We don't live in a direct democracy. We live in a monarchy - one elderly woman has technical soverignty, and the nearer you are to her or to people as rich as she is, the more 'sovereignty' you get.

It certainly shouldn't be the case that we have to rely on Europe to give us rights that our own elites would deny us, but it's sadly a fact. Out of Europe, how long do you think it would be before our 'sovereign' Parliament stuffed with rich Tories voted to remove all worker protections? Not very long.

claig · 25/05/2016 10:04

And maybe the establishment are doing a number on us again, maybe they are tricking us, maybe they are having a laugh at the people like they always do. They won't let Farage anywhere near the front lines to challenge them because they know the people will believe what he says

"KATIE HOPKINS: I thought Boris was going to save Britain from the EU, instead he has turned out to be a big fat fraud
..
Now Boris has fallen from the pedestal I had him on. Delusional fool that I am.

When he came out for Brexit I thought we had it made.
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But Boris has brought nothing to the Leave campaign.
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As much as the Leave contingent wants to distance itself from Farage faster than it could run from a hooker with herpes, at least Farage is authentic.

He is as calculating, self-adulating, manipulative and vicious as the rest of the pack (see Suzanne Evans' suspension for details) but at least he is consistent.

His entire career has been one long campaign to Leave Europe."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3606649/KATIE-HOPKINS-thought-Boris-going-save-Britain-instead-turned-big-fat-fraud.html

Can you imagine Boris in a debate? He might just have a "brain fade" a la Natalie Bennett, he might just stumble, he might just mess it up in the "blue on blue" game. Farage wouldn't, but the establishment won't allow him anywhere near the front of the stage because he wants to leave the EU, he is "toxic".

fidelix · 25/05/2016 10:08

80Kgirl - agree with all of that. But if you agree that it won't work, then surely you need to be advocating solutions that address the underlying problem, not a small fragment or symptom.

claig · 25/05/2016 10:08

'The "elites" in the West could never quite exploit the general population as much as they would like to because of democratic structures'

Exactly, and that is why they like the EU as it removes messy democracy at a national level, so that they can push through TTIP etc at a supranational level by dealing with a set of unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats that no one could even name or recognise instead of having to debate it in national parliaments and having to be interviewed on it by Paxman on national TV so that the people could hold the stooges to account.

fidelix · 25/05/2016 10:12

Yes claig - one positive of the whole Brexit campaign is that it will hopefully show up Boris as the self-serving egomaniac he is.

But the idea that Farage is anything other than equally self-serving is delusional.

If he cares so much about money being siphoned off by Europe, why does he personally accept so much of it? Why isn't he returning his wages and his wife's to the UK pot?

The truth is it's a nice little earner for him.

The very last thing Farage would want is Brexit. He'd be out of a job and so would his wife.