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Is Brexit Press Coverage Skewed?

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STIDW · 23/05/2016 14:03

An independent study released today found 45% of the articles surveyed baked leaving the EU with only 27% in favour of staying. Most pro-leave articles appeared in The Daily Mail, closely followed by The Daily Express, The Daily Star, The Sun and The Daily Telegraph.

The Times was relatively balanced, while the most pro-remain articles were published by, in order, The Daily Mirror, The Guardian and The Financial Times.

reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/study-shows-majority-press-coverage-eu-referendum-campaign-was-heavily-skewed-favour-brexit

Problem is Infacts (journalists making the fact-based case to remain) claims each has published a string of stories on migration, terrorism, crime & control of our borders that contain factual mistakes &/or distortions & reported 8 of the worst examples of inaccurate or misleading stories to the Independent Press Standards Organisation.

infacts.org/hateful_eight/

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 24/05/2016 12:51

Farage was very poor in the leadership debates last year.

Farage who has spent a great deal of his life in the EU Parliament.

www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/jun/11/ukip-europe-laziest-party-parliament

claig · 24/05/2016 13:14

According to an average of polls after the debate, Cameron and Miliband were tied on 22%, Farage was on 21% and Sturgeon on 20% and that was despite the entire establishment, media, assorted stooges and stuffed audience ganging up on Farage, calling him "vile" etc and booing when he spoke. They are petrified of Farage and that is why the Tory Vote Leave lot don't want him anywhere near a debate in case he finishes Cameron off and then goes on to destroy the Tories in the polls and elections which will follow.

claig · 24/05/2016 13:16

The Guardian and te Establishment cast of characters can call Farage lazy and denigrate him, but they don't want him on a debate stage because they all know he knows far more about the EU than all the Establishment stooges put together.

Pangurban1 · 24/05/2016 13:54

Well, I have no doubt UKIP MEP'S are very knowledgable about claiming their various personal allowances and healthcare benefits on top of their salaries.

I'd imagine one would have to go to the meetings, engage on some level and take part in the voting to be knowledgeable about it truly functions as an institution. I believe UKIP MEP'S do little of this, which must lessen the influence the UK could have.

Are they claiming the cash of their salaries and allowances back for the UK and giving it as recovered money to the NHS. The NHS is postulated as one of the main recipient of all the money not going to the EU, wouldn't it?

Or are they pocketing it? Where would the money not going to the EU in the event of a Leave result go, in reality. I don't think the money is going to trickle into the ordinary person's pocket in any way, shape or form.

Dan Hannan thinks the UK have lived through the 'mistake' of an NHS 'experiment' for sixty years. Will he be advocating using the money to support it? He claims it 'has made people iller (sic)'. So it would surprise if that UKIP mep would be giving it to the NHS.

claig · 24/05/2016 14:01

Dan Hannan is not UKIP, he is Conservative. That is why you will see him on the Establishment BBC more than Farage during this referendum.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 24/05/2016 14:28

UKIP are "establishment", lets not pretend otherwise.

UKIP contains ex-Tories including one Neil Hamilton.

claig · 24/05/2016 14:45

UKIP contain planted Establishment stooges, but they aren't Establishment because they pose a threat to Labour, the LibDems and the Conservatives.

80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 14:55

I just read in the times today that, "the EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept into power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration."

I found this chilling reading. I would not vote for the far right myself, but who defines what is populist or what is far right? Is it whomever and whatever Mr. Juncker says it is? So, essentially, the EU can sweep aside any government of which it does not approve. Yikes!

"Under powers given to the commission in 2014, he can trigger a 'rule of law mechanism' for countries that depart from democratic norms by putting a government under constitutional supervision."

So, we uphold democracy by disregarding the vote of the people. It's really very scary.

RortyCrankle · 24/05/2016 15:01

GhostofFrankGrimes
Left wing luvvies like Nick Robinson and Laura Kuernsberg? hmm
Question Time usually has a non politician on the panel.

I did say stuffed with, I didn't say that described every single one of their approx 21,000 staff.

As for Question Time - are you suggesting non-politicians don't have political leanings?

Winterbiscuit · 24/05/2016 15:03

putting a government under constitutional supervision

Shock
STIDW · 24/05/2016 19:33

I just read in the times today that, "the EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept into power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration."

Can you post a link please? The one I googled doesn't seem to work or the article has been removed.

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80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 19:41

The Times is behind a paywall. I had to set the paper next to me and type it in for you.

I don't want far right governments in Europe, but I strongly feel that this is the wrong way to prevent them.

fidelix · 24/05/2016 19:53

80Kgirl - so what do you feel is the right way to get rid of far-right governments in Europe?

Another world war?

Surely preventing wars is exactly the reason the EU was set up, no?

80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 19:58

I can't see how deciding that the people of a European nation aren't capable of democracy is going to help! How is having a government imposed on a people by Brussels better than the government the people elected?

And who gets to define populism and the far right?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 24/05/2016 20:05

was watching a WW2 documentary earlier, European leaders vowed to work together to avoid another war and fascism.

In the 30's Jews were the scapegoats, today it is migrants. I'm glad European leaders are taking notice of the dangerous rise of the far right across europe.

STIDW · 24/05/2016 20:08

The Times is behind a paywall.

Yes, but normally you can view a few articles in a certain time frame & if you reach the limit the subscription page comes up. In this case it is just coming up with an error message that says the article isn't available. I suspect someone may have got the wrong end of the stick for the reasons I will outline below.

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ginghambox · 24/05/2016 20:19

This is a quote from the times article.
The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.

Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said.

Under powers given to the commission in 2014, he can trigger a “rule of law mechanism” for countries that depart from democratic norms by putting a government under constitutional supervision. Ultimately, a country can be stripped of voting rights in the EU or have funding blocked.

80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 20:27

I was reading a paper copy, the article is on page 9.

The bylines are:
Bruno Waterfiled, Brussels
David Crossland, Berlin

It goes on to say:

"In a test run for the new EU constitutional powers, the commission has issued unprecedented orders to Poland, instructing the newly elected right wing government to bow to Polish judges who have struck down laws passed by the parliament."

STIDW · 24/05/2016 20:31

"the EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept into power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration."..

..."Under powers given to the commission in 2014, he can trigger a 'rule of law mechanism' for countries that depart from democratic norms by putting a government under constitutional supervision."

EU countries commit to "the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities" when they join. As a last resort when other infringement procedures fail to resolve the issue the new rule of law framework can be invoked for "serious & persistent breach" of EU values.

The framework allows the Commission to enter into a dialogue with the EU state concerned but it is the EU Council (heads of each EU state) decision to give warnings & impose sanctions.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV%3Al33500

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80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 20:39

So, if Brussels doesn't like what democracy produces, they can label it "undemocratic" (although it was indeed democratic) and then dictate. Nice.

It's all find to concentrate so much indirect power into the hands of a remote few as long as they act as you would like. The problem is that the pendulum does swing...

80Kgirl · 24/05/2016 20:40

find=fine

claig · 24/05/2016 20:44

It is not unusual for the EU. They cannot allow far right parties to win because it will set up a chain reaction which will end the EU.

When Pim Fortuyn looked like his party would become one of the largest in parliament in the Netherlands, he was assassinated 9 days before the election.

www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/06/3

When Austria's Freedom Party entered government in 2000, the EU isolated Vienna

"Unwittingly Austria created EU history in January 2000 when a far right party joined its government. EU leaders panicked and isolated Vienna. EurActiv looks at the legacy of those heady days and months.

The unwritten consensus since the second world war has been that far right parties do not enter European governments. How easy this was to apply in practice was first challenged when Silvio Berlusconi entered into government with the far right party Alleanza Nazionale in 1994."

www.euractiv.com/section/eu-priorities-2020/news/austria-s-haider-affair-gave-the-eu-an-emergency-brake/

Recently, the EU objected to the new right wing Polish government making changes to their constitutional court

"Poland’s right-wing Prime Minister Beata Szydlo vowed Friday (20 May) that her government would never bow to any EU ultimatum and accused some members of the European Commission of trying to “destroy” the 28-member bloc.

Szydlo was responding to a Monday deadline (23 May) set by the Commission for Poland to reverse a controversial overhaul of the country’s top court that has set off a fiery dispute between Warsaw and Brussels.

“Poland will never succumb to any ultimatum,” Szydlo said during a stormy debate in parliament."

www.euractiv.com/section/eu-priorities-2020/news/austria-s-haider-affair-gave-the-eu-an-emergency-brake/

I wasn't surprised that the Austrian Freedom party lost the election on Monday to a Green. The right wing party was the favourite to win, the polls had it as favourite and on Sunday it was in teh lead with votes counted. But they had to wait for the postal votes and I guessed that they would be beaten on that. They lost by a small percentage.

The EU cannot allow right wing parties like that to win because it will spread and lead to the end of the EU.

They were saved by the Austrian election result, but how long they can keep disaster from their door, no one knows. If France turns right, then the EU will collapse.

They will have to try and do everything they can to stop it happening.

claig · 24/05/2016 20:49

Of course, if Britain leaves, there is a high possibility that it will start a chain reaction and the EU will also collapse.

Either way, its days are numbered and the tiny elite are struggling to hold it together as populist parties begin to represent the shifting mood of the European people.

STIDW · 24/05/2016 20:49

"In a test run for the new EU constitutional powers, the commission has issued unprecedented orders to Poland, instructing the newly elected right wing government to bow to Polish judges who have struck down laws passed by the parliament."

Apparently the Commission entered into dialogue & made recommendations;

ec.europa.eu/news/2016/01/20160113_en.htm

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claig · 24/05/2016 20:50

That is why bigwigs from everywhere are urging Britain to remain. If we go, it may be the end of their dream.

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