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David Cameron has to resign.

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PirateSmile · 05/04/2016 07:53

If there is any evidence he has had even one penny of benefit from his father's dodgy tax arrangement, surely Cameron has to go?
He's saying 'it's a private matter' whilst presumably working on his notes for next month's conference on cracking down on such tax scams. You really couldn't make it up. He will no doubt plead ignorance but that's no defence. He is the PM. He should know he's benefiting from is essentially large scale fraud.
Are we really going to let him get away with this?

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Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 16:38

Ok, you get the gist, but people are calling it dodging. DC also didn't pay tax on a gift where it is or may not be payable (with lifespan of giver taken into account, hate saying that bit).

Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 16:39

is NOT payable

homebythesea · 11/04/2016 16:44

Yes ignorant people whose criticisms lose all credibility when they are based on misunderstandings and untruths

Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 16:51

Well, I think there is a bigger agenda pushing this, not related to the purported issue. Of course this issue has been not been unhelpful.

Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 16:51

been

oddcommentator · 11/04/2016 16:57

you drive into a car park. It says Free Parking for 3 hours. After 3 hours it costs £1 per hour.

You park for 2 hours. You therefore don't buy a ticket
a) paid all parking charges due (ie, none due, therefore none paid)
b) dodged your parking charges through a legal loophole (staying in the time allowed)
c) crushed the very faces of the poor, exploiting them by forcing them to pay for your parking.

The agenda is down to Brexit. The 3 newspapers making the most hay are run by avid brexiteers

oddcommentator · 11/04/2016 17:02

Edited due to poor typing ...

you drive into a car park. It says Free Parking for 3 hours. After 3 hours it costs £1 per hour.

You park for 2 hours. You therefore don't buy a ticket are you?

a) paid all parking charges due (ie, none due, therefore none paid)
b) dodging your parking charges through a barely legal loophole (staying in the time allowed)
c) crushing the very faces of the poor, exploiting them by forcing them to pay for your parking.

The agenda is down to Brexit. The 3 newspapers making the most hay are run by avid brexiteers

Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 17:33

Would some of those brexiteers also be non dom for tax purposes, I wonder? By coincidence of course, not design! For health purposes (or the health of their money). They wouldn't be paying tax because it is not payable (must remember to say this in future instead of dodge or avoid) because of the way they have set things up. Legally of course, or skirting (maybe) around being ostensibly legal. Purely allegation and speculation on my part. I don't understand anything about these smoke and mirrors.

Pangurban1 · 11/04/2016 17:38

Actually, I retract the word allegation. Merely speculation and wonderment on my part at such clever people who inform public opinion not dodgy as others may have opined .

ineedaholidaynow · 11/04/2016 17:53

odd the rules for the parking should obviously have a caveat that these rules don't apply to DC or any members of his family who have the temerity to still be alive, and that obviously he has to pay £'000 as he is meant to be a man of integrity

oddcommentator · 11/04/2016 18:20

Ineedaholidaynow. Aboslutely!

How dare he pay all his taxes due (and more!) he should pay more!. His home while he lives at no10? Burn it to the ground or fill it refugees, how dare he rent it out.

Peel away the venom, the envy and the "I hate Tories whatever" and this is all hot air apart from some Brexit agendas

SnowBells · 11/04/2016 19:45

I'm pretty sure many people here have a pension fund, right?

Well, those pension funds invest everywhere - including multinational companies that controversially pay little UK taxes because it's not illegal for them to do so.

Let's say you retire tomorrow, and people tell you that you will have to give away 40% of your pension pot because THE PEOPLE think that those companies should have paid taxes... and you - as a shareholder - were basically an owner.

You have done nothing wrong. The company has done nothing wrong. Will you give away 40% of your pension pot simpy because THE PEOPLE tell you to?

Pangurban1 · 12/04/2016 05:21

Wow, now Cameron is likened to Mugabe.

By former Tory vice-chairman Nigel Evans, because of the production of the leaflets. If only Mugabe had contained his activities to the production of leaflets.

' "Mr Lidington responded: “I think that when my Right Honourable friend reflects on what he’s just said and that the election campaigns in Zimbabwe in the recent past have involved the murder, maiming and intimidation of voters he might recognise that what he’s just said was not his finest moment in the House.” ' from the Telegraph.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/11/tory-mp-accuses-government-of-overseeing-spiv-robert-mugabe-anti/

Pangurban1 · 12/04/2016 05:29

John Redwood said the leaflet would inadvertently encourage voters to leave the EU.

Should it be regarded as the free mailshot for the OUT campaign in that case?

cdtaylornats · 12/04/2016 07:11

"Wow, now Cameron is likened to Mugabe. "

Oh some people will do anything to try and smear Cameron. I could say Corbyn is linked to Hitler because of his attitude to anti-Semites, doesn't make it true.

BoatyMcBoat · 12/04/2016 09:14

Cdtaylornats, Corbyn doesn't like anti-Semites? I'm not sure what you mean.

Mistigri · 12/04/2016 12:14

Tories likening Cameron to Mugabe? I'm actually speechless. If nothing else, it shows an appalling lack of awareness of very recent history.

I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Dave Grin.

grins · 12/04/2016 14:53

Pang... Scotland has just over 9% of seats and 8.4% of population, Wales has 6.2% of seats and 4.8% of population and NI has 2.8% of seats and 2.9% of population. So if anything they are over represented in the current electoral system, even before the many powers devolved to their respective parliaments.

Pangurban1 · 12/04/2016 16:56

Not if you look at it as four equal partners of the UK, though. If it is by simply by respective populations, the other 3 can only ever be minority voices squeaking in Westminster, completely drowned by England's representation

That was one good thing about the EU when it started out, every country had an equal voice, irrespective of population size.

grins · 12/04/2016 18:24

Re four equal partners, the fact is the four partners are not equal by any measure. Why should the vote of a Welshman, Scot or Northern Irishwoman count for more than that of someone in England? I can't see why you would want to set up such a divisive system? By your measure people in Yorkshire, Cornwall or any other constituency have the same complaint. Or is it only when it affects certain boundaries you get interested?

Pangurban1 · 12/04/2016 20:17

The UK is made up of 4 constituent parts. Yorkshire or similar is not one of those four, but a region belonging within one of the four. Why would you think it is divisive for each of those parts to have an equal weight? Lots of parties don't even run UK wide so there is an intrinsic inbuilt political division in representation. What is the snide 'certain boundaries' giving interest reference?

Eliza22 · 13/04/2016 22:09

It's a moral "crime" in this climate where we're living with austerity and retirement is getting further and further away; he is a hypocrit.

PermaShattered · 16/04/2016 11:59

Have not read entire thread so forgive me: There's nothing apparently illegal here - minimising your tax liability is entirely legal. It's called tax avoidance. Tax evasion, however, is another matter - and there's no suggestion that DC's father was guilty of tax evasion. It's important people know the distinction.

To use an analogy, if you make a will to reduce any potential inheritance tax liability when you die - that's effectively tax avoidance. It's not illegal. On the contrary, it's to be recommended.

What Cameron is guilty of is lack of transparency. And he tried to make up for it too little too late.

Eliza22 · 16/04/2016 12:09

I still think it's a moral issue. When ordinary folk are paying a bedroom tax and being encouraged to take in a lodger to make ends meet, much needed family centres are shut, disabled kids rattle round in a taxi for 3 hours a day because two taxis from different areas have amalgamated rather than keep two services going, we have food banks, people sleeping in streets as they've lost their jobs/homes/families.....and meanwhile the man who (together with his sidekick) tells us "we're ALL in this together" has a family who has squirrelled away their wealth abroad to avoid paying tax due. And he will benefit (and has already) in future. How is that right?

sleepwhenidie · 16/04/2016 12:16

Sorry Eliza where is your evidence that he will benefit in future? He may have benefitted from his parents' tax avoidance measures historically (and these measures seem only in connection with IHT rather than anything to do with the Panama Papers) but there is nothing, AFAIK, to say this will be the case in future?

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