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David Cameron has to resign.

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PirateSmile · 05/04/2016 07:53

If there is any evidence he has had even one penny of benefit from his father's dodgy tax arrangement, surely Cameron has to go?
He's saying 'it's a private matter' whilst presumably working on his notes for next month's conference on cracking down on such tax scams. You really couldn't make it up. He will no doubt plead ignorance but that's no defence. He is the PM. He should know he's benefiting from is essentially large scale fraud.
Are we really going to let him get away with this?

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Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 16:59

How many things can he get away with and yet people still turn on Corbyn who I would put my life that he wouldn't tax avoid or misuse public money

Do you know own the ins and outs of all of his finances and returns or that if his family, including siblings etc.

He may not and I doubt he would, but to say he would never nor would his family do it is a a big leap.

I am not a Cameron fan by any stretch btw.

Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 17:00

Cameron's father was in the tax avoidance business for 30 years. Was Corbyn even an MP in 1980?

Cameron certainly wasn't an MP in 1980 either. Not sure what the point is?

TheRegularShow · 06/04/2016 17:08

Cameron claimed dla despite being a millionaire and calls other people on benefits scroungers who have to claim out of neccessity.
He then cuts disability benefits and services which his wife said they wouldn't have coped without using respite despite having 2 nannies.

He lies on election pledges saying he won't do something and then tries to delete it from his parties manifesto off the internet.
We have had pig gate, and now this tax avoidance and don't forget his mum writing a letter about services being cut and then Dave finds money for her council where everywhere else has budgets slashed.

This tells me all I need to know about trusting Cameron with anything.
So if it came down to it I would trust Corbyn and his family who I don't know as I'm pretty sure if Corbyn suspected his family of doing something illegal he would shop them .

TheRegularShow · 06/04/2016 17:11

posted too soon

Cameron plays by the old boys club rules
Corbyn plays by the rules

I know which I would trust

candykane25 · 06/04/2016 17:13

I see Corbyn as a man of integrity.

Cameron, through his policies alone, has shown he is not a man of integrity.

Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 17:14

if Corbyn suspected his family of doing something illegal he would shop them

It is tax avoidance Which isn't illegal.

Who in Cameron family has done something illegal then?

TheRegularShow · 06/04/2016 17:17

Isn't shagging a dead pig a crime?

Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 17:22

Isn't shagging a dead pig a crime?

It was debated at the time and apparently it wasn't no. awful though

candykane25 · 06/04/2016 17:28

what? shut you don't think Cameron has done anything illegal?
But you want Corbyn to set an example? Even though by your logic Corbyn won't have done anything illegal if he had done the same as Cameron? But it's Corbyn you are asking to be open, not Cameron?
Did I read that right?

Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 18:01

I'm saying that tax avoidance is not illegal and that all politicians be open.

If you are going to delve into his family finances and views etc then it should be done for all politicians families too, including Corbyn.

Shutthatdoor · 06/04/2016 18:03

As for pig gate. It is awful but there at the time was huge discussions amongst the legal profession as to the technicalities as to whether it was legal or not.

candykane25 · 06/04/2016 18:19

ineed
Can't imagine there are many people who like paying tax, and if there is a legal way to reduce your tax bill would not most people think about it?
It's an interesting moral question isn't it.
If you are responsible for deciding who gets tax cuts, who gets tax perks and are attempting to reduce the UK deficit, then tax avoidance/evasion and the legally/illegality would be very important to you I would have thought,.
I think where a government gives tax perks to the wealthy percentage of a country but cuts services funded by tax payers to the most vulnerable members of a country, the morality element might be more important to voters than the legality/illegality of such schemes.

If by such tax schemes, the vulnerable have to bear the brunt of reducing the deficit, is that moral?

It's a straightforward choice between either putting society as a whole first or putting yourself as an individual first. Which some might argue is the difference between two political parties, Or to simplify, Corbyn and Cameron.

Mistigri · 06/04/2016 18:48

I see Corbyn as a man of integrity.

How people view him is irrelevant. Corbyn is not and never has been in government. He's been a backbencher almost all of his political life. He has no influence over the making of tax law, or the collection of taxes, and never has had.

Cameron has been prime minister for six years, he is the person ultimately responsible for setting tax rates and collecting taxes (via HMRC). We should hold him to higher standards than Corbyn when it comes to paying taxes.

(As it happens it's unlikely that Corbyn uses expensive "tax planning" services, if only because he isn't independently wealthy and there would be little benefit in it for him. But bringing Corbyn into this debate is just silly.)

GoblinLittleOwl · 06/04/2016 19:03

Putting money in offshore accounts is not illegal in this country, even if it is immoral. And it is not the province of the rich and right wing either.

A colleague's very left-wing husband (private school scholarship, free university education and a well-paid job) was fond of boasting how he had set up an offshore account using the £60, 000 savings of his father, then living in heavily subsidised council housing, so that when the time came for him to need nursing care he wouldn't have to pay any nursing home fees. The father died without needing care, and the son inherited a very nice nest-egg, undeclared of course.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 06/04/2016 19:08

personally I think Corbyn hanging out with the IRA in the 80s was far more obnoxious than anything Mr Cameron was likely to have been up to around the same time, but then I am not someone who believes paying tax is the supreme moral good.

nauticant · 06/04/2016 19:30

In 1990 Margaret Thatcher gave her approval for secret talks to be held with the IRA in the hope of seeking a settlement. This led to the government secretly "hanging out with the IRA" while criticising those who were doing it publicly. I'm no fan of Corbyn but the IRA link is a piss poor ground for having a pop.

Mistigri · 06/04/2016 19:52

personally I think Corbyn hanging out with the IRA in the 80s was far more obnoxious than hanging out with a sanctions-busting lobby group in apartheid South Africa, as Cameron did? Not that either is relevant here. Are you upset that your poster boy has been caught with his hand in the till?

candykane25 · 06/04/2016 20:09

Yes I'm not sure why Corbyn got dragged into this discussion either.

It will be relevant that I see Virbyn as a man of integrity when it comes to voting. I assume Cameton would like his party to stay in government.

A for Corbyn having not been in government but Cameton has been PM for six years - no, that doesn't make Cameron entitled to have more respect? Why would it?

Mistigri · 06/04/2016 20:22

I think the point is that (a) Corbyn isn't implicated in this scandal and (b) if you're the prime minister and therefore personally responsible for a government levying taxes on 60 million odd people, most of whom are not as wealthy as you, then you need to make damn sure your tax affairs are not just technically legal but also ethically squeaky clean.

shebird · 06/04/2016 20:24

Im no DC fan but I can't help wondering about the timing of this leak. It has totally killed any discussions or scaremongering about Brexit.

I would rather they looked into the members of government that have family or links to companies that are awarded lucrative government contracts.

VertigoNun · 06/04/2016 20:27

The press seem keen to remove DC and GO, so BoJo can take over.

Mistigri · 06/04/2016 20:39

It was an international press collaboration - why would it be specifically timed to harm Cameron? He's not the only politician in the firing line and in fact he's only really implicated by association.

If it hadn't been for three other recent government fuck-ups in quick succession (disability cuts, forced academisation, and steel), he'd probably have got away with this. But the press have him on the ropes and they smell blood.

shebird · 06/04/2016 21:02

I agree they are doing a great job of cocking up without press leaks

ineedaholidaynow · 06/04/2016 21:07

I am not a particular fan of DC but I am not quite sure what DC is meant to do though. My understanding is that his Dad didn't do anything illegal at the time, and is now dead. DC hasn't done anything illegal and in fact closed the loophole so this particular tax scheme couldn't be used legally anymore.

candykane25 · 06/04/2016 21:14

Reading that DC's father has been in the tax evasion business for 30yrs, it has made me wonder what motivated his son, DC, to go into politics and become the person in charge of Britain's taxation system.
And being someone who has become PM, he would be very naive to not know what his fathers business was doing. All all the ins and outs of course, but offshore accounts?
I have read the point by many other posters saying they have no idea what their parents financial dealings are. But DC is the premier. Numerous Uno. If all this happened under his nose and he was completely oblivious, that doesn't speak highly of him either. He appointed his best friend as Chsncellor - the man in charge of all the money. I would kind of want the PM to be a bit more... Astute.

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