saudi beheadings

[southeastastra]

this is really playing on my mind. how can this be acceptable and allowed are we so barbaric? it's no wonder isis and the like think what they do is acceptable when sharia law passes this sort of crap for really minor offences.

am also worried about that kid that took part in the protests who was sentenced to death, haven't heard anything about him since and can't find info on web.

'He's not wrong, is he?'

Yes, he's right which is why they are all so desperate that he loses. He will overturn all their policies, which doesn't benefit their financial cliques. It is a battle between different factions which is why they are throwing the sink at Trump to try and stop him. They won't make it and Trump's faction will win.

15 of the 19 people who took part in the atrocities of 11/9 were from Saudi Arabia, yet we stupidly invaded Afghanistan then Iraq. Of course, Afghanistan was not about Halliburton being refused permission to build an oil pipeline, just as Iraq was not about controlling oil. Just like Syria isn't about Qatar wanting to build a gas pipeline.

He will overturn all their policies, which doesn't benefit their financial cliques. It is a battle between different factions which is why they are throwing the sink at Trump to try and stop him. They won't make it and Trump's faction will win. If Jesus, Mohammed, God, Marx, and goodness knows who else haven't been able to straighten things out, how will Trump? Less flippantly - this stuff has been going on for eternity. What's different now? What's changed (I ask because things do feel different but I can't articulate why....yet).

Because the policies have been driven by Saudi and Qatari money because puppets can be bought, but no one buys Trump, he works for America and the American people. That is why there is so much panic about him, he will overturn everything and lots of rich funders will be out of favour. There is desperation to stop him, but he has outplayed the lot of them so far.

Iraq should not have been invaded and the Libyan and Syrian regimes should not have been destabilised. Trump has the couarge to say it and puppets are in panic.

''One hundred percent,' Trump said when asked if the world would be better off with Saddam and Gaddafi still at the helm in Iraq and Libya."

Trump is not alone, he must have high level backers just like the other factions have. The difference is the other factions have puppets at the helm, bought and paid for, and he isn't and he is not politically correct and they are which is why they cannot silence him and why he will beat the puppets.

America is a superpower, it still has enormous clout. No bunch of DJ Jihadis can stop America doing whatever it wants. As Trump says "we always lose, we never win anymore, we lose to Isis, we are run by "losers"", well that won't happen when Trump gets in.

"The Obama administration is facing renewed pressure to release a top secret report that allegedly shows that Saudi Arabia directly helped to finance the September 11 attacks.

Rand Paul, the Libertarian Republican senator from Kentucky, is demanding that Mr Obama declassify 28 pages that were redacted from a 2002 US Senate report into the 9/11 attacks.
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The blacked-out pages, which have taken on an almost mythical quality for 9/11 conspiracy theorists, were classified on the orders of George W. Bush, leading to speculation they confirmed Saudi involvement.

According to Bob Graham, the former Florida senator who was chair of the Senate Intelligence committee at the time of the report, they show that Saudi Arabia was the “principle financier” of the attack.
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“Information revealed over the years does raise questions about [Saudi Arabia’s] support, or whether their support might have been supportive to these Al Qaeda terrorists,” Mr Paul [Republican Senator Rand Paul] said at the press conference in Washington this week."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11653706/US-report-claiming-Saudi-Arabia-financed-911-attack-redacted-by-Bush.html

I don't know what Trump will do if he wins, but one thing's for sure, he is fearless and is not a puppet.

Iran has now accused Saudi Arabia of bombing its embassy in Yemen

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35251917

Why is the tension ratcheting up? Why now?

Because Iran and Saudi Arabia, along with most of the Middle East states to varying degrees, are involved in two major proxy wars, in Yemen and Syria Auntie Stella.

Yes, but why now ?

And why these particular actions ?

'Yes, but why now ?'

Because Saudi Arabia is desperate that its Syrian olicy is failing due to Russia's protection of Assad, that Obama has done a deal with Iran and that Trump may tip over the entire applecart. Things are looking bad for their regime, they are running a deficit, involved in wars where they have to use mercenaries because otherwise the Houthi warriors would beat them and they want to drag their allies in to help them. On top of that, the world stands on the precipice of financial meltdown and some factions among their allies want a world war to escape from disaster still coming out on top.

I think they will fail and we will see huge changes in the world. It wll be sorted out without major world war and there will be losers who are now starting to panic.

'why these particular actions ?'

Iran is their regional enemy and they fear its increasing influence. It looks like they want to force the hand of their allies to help them defeat Iran. There are a lot of bought and paid for puppets that might help them but there are factions that are not bought and paid for who probably won't.

Thanks!

Seems they are claiming they were attacking a site that (in their view) was a legitimate target, and anything that landed on the embassy was a mistake.

Will that be enough to keep it as war of words, or is this getting seriously volatile for a Sunni/Shia showdown?

Iran is clever and understaands the Saudis game. I don't think they will react directly. But that will mean that the Saudis have to keep upping the ante calling on the help of the bought and paid for because things are getting desperate for them. But when they go too far, I think they will find that the not bought and paid for factions will overrule the bought and paid for ones and no one will help them. Then it will be game over for them.

There are factions that want the West to help them, but I don't think that will happen in the end and therefore a world war will be avoided, but nothing is certain because of the financial state of the world and because some factions may take desperate measures to control the outcome in order to remain at the top.

'is this getting seriously volatile for a Sunni/Shia showdown?'

There were thinktanks and factions who wanted that. I think that is now all over because of the Russian intervention in Syria. Kerry has agreed that Assad can stay for quite some time. The factions lost. Their Jihadis and Isis and all the rest of their funded mercenaries lost. Now they are on the run in Syria. Turkey and Saudi Arabia may now be on their own and no one may be about to help them. I doubt the planed Sunni-Shia clash hoped for by some factions will happen anymore. I think there are going to be losers and te losers will have to accept what happens in deals created by the US and Russia etc.

Trump has said that he won't go to a third world war over Syria. Puppets and the bought nd paid for class are in panic over Trump.

"Donald Trump on Friday accused his GOP rivals of seeking to “start World War III over Syria” and suggested the U.S. let Russia take up the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)

"They want to start World War III over Syria. Give me a break," Trump said at the State Fairgrounds in Oklahoma City.

"You know Russia wants to get ISIS right. We want to get ISIS. Russia’s in Syria. Maybe we should let them do it?," he continued. "Let them do it. What the hell are we crazy?"

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/255052-trump-gop-rivals-want-to-start-world-war-iii-over-syria

Trump will not win the presidency this year. The big money is backing Hillary clinton, the small people, those who donated $10 or $20 to Obama are giving those amounts to Bernie Sanders. So far he's raised about $100Mn with no input from large corporations. Sanders is the only one who will end the kleptocracy.

Saudi Arabia should be a pariah, not head of the UNHCR. Everything they are doing is to inflame Iran. It's deliberate, they want Iran to engage with them militarily. I'm not sure they'll succeed, I think it will take SA bombing targets in Iran itself, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't dare do that.

KSA are head of a panel of the UNHCR, not the whole thing.

UNHCR is the UN High Commission for Refugees, headed by Filippo Grandi (Italian).

Do you mean UNHRC?

DoctorTwo I am not sure whether Saudi Arabia really wants to engage Iran militarily. There is no way they would come off best. They have coalition partners in their war in Yemen and they are already struggling. Their groups in Syria have taken a real beating, and there just aren't the funds or the manpower for a campaign against Iran. Apparently they are considering selling Aramco.

This is why they are resorting to provocations, like the alleged embassy attack. FWIW I am not 100% sure that one was deliberate. I can believe that they just screwed up or didn't care what they were hitting given the number of hospitals, schools and homes also bombed.

What I think they do want is to eliminate Shia, and specifically Iranian, influence from the whole Gulf region and Syria and they aren't too fussy about how they achieve that.

They are not the lead of the UNHRC either. Tho, yes, I believe it is the human rights commission they are on a board for, not the refugees commission.