The SNP says the UK (not Scotland) is on “borrowed time”

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A SNP needing oil over $100 a barrel to even hope to balance its annual budget, apparently needing to be in a low growth uncompetitive Europe, want more UK national debt they previously threatened to walk away from, not using the devolved powers they already have, and no longer wants a Trident deterrent - as will somehow be safe from the blasts/fallouts when the rest of the UK gets nuked – says that if their 5 million citizens can’t decide what the other 60 million want, they want to leave the UK.

Goldman Sees 15 Years of Weak Crude as $20 U.S Oil Looms
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/goldman-sees-15-years-of-weak-crude-as-20-u-s-oil-looms-on-glut

A glut of crude may keep oil prices low for the next 15 years, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

There’s less than a 50 percent chance that prices will drop to $20 a barrel, most likely when refineries shut in October or March for maintenance, Jeffrey Currie, head of commodities research at the bank, said Wednesday in an interview in Lake Louise, Alberta. Goldman’s long-term forecast for crude is at $50 a barrel, he said.

The people of Scotland who appear to be encouraging the SNP to take this continual threatening stance, really needs to be better informed by the SNP on the financial prospects of an independent Scotland – which in reality is the ONLY SNP short, medium and long term objective.

Nearly 60 Scottish Westminster MP’s especially with a single purpose, should be fully capable of negotiating with the government.

Specifying exactly WHAT powers they additionally want the current ones already given don’t cover – rather than offering this continual mono bluster pissing off the vast majority within the UK including many Scots – as it is surely counter productive for practical and good will reasons, when all parties really know Scotland can’t economically afford the SNP's objective.

Anyone, especially the SNP, who can show a Scotland can afford to be without the current Barnett Formula, please show the independence projected finances - as if I am wrong, I will be happy to say so.

Im not a psychic and my crystal ball isn't working so I cant predict the future no more than the next person. What I would say that given UKIP/Tory/Labour/Lib Dem performances so far with regards to my interests then yes, I absolutely trust the SNP to do best, independence or not, by me and mine over and above the rest of them. I accept that things may be tighter in the after midst of an independent Scotland, but at least Id know where the buck stopped. I would say with certainty tho that I dont believe that Scotland would be plunged in third world status had we chosen independence.

Yes, I think things would almost certainly be tighter for a while.

But roll forward one year from the referendum and things have become tighter anyway, and look to get worse, far worse. There is no incentive for me to vote anything other than SNP.

Honestly, splitting up a nation state won't come cheap.

No it wont, but I think all nations would be far happier in general as a result. Id rather be friendly neighbours and allies than what we have at the moment. The tories have no interest in Scotland, (why would they, other than perhaps as a nuclear arms site) and being portrayed as the scrounging nation relied upon the generosity of England is just driving divisions. If Scotland is such a drain on resources then I question why the desire to keep the UK together, surely England would be better off without us?

I never said Scotland was a drain, be careful over what you think you are reading!

I believe we'd all be worse off.

I doubt we'll become friendly neighbours overnight - divorcing couple sharing the same house is the more likely short to mid term analogy!

Anyway I wish you and yours all the best.

Not you Betty, sorry i didnt mean that, but it has been said several times before on this site and in the media and was one of the main reasons put forward for staying in the Union. It was actually nice to have someone discussing politics with some reason other than SNP baad lol. Ill be the first to admit that SNP aren't perfect, which political party is tho?

The tories have no interest in Scotland, (why would they, other than perhaps as a nuclear arms site) and being portrayed as the scrounging nation relied upon the generosity of England is just driving divisions.

WHY would they not have 'interest' in Scotland, any more than Wales, N. Ireland, the North of England or any other area the SNP and Labour have tried to brain wash voters for their own gain?

Now the SNP have brainwashed voters that Labour for thinking 'better together' are now the enemies, with what slogan, 'blue Tories' - so I guess what goes around, comes around.

Voters are bombarded with mantras that hold little factual water, apparently the Poll Tax (charging a household per occupants, not penalise single/small households for the same service as large ones) was apparently like taking a socialists first born, yet Labour's version had Council Tax going up an average 105% in England in 13-years - did any socialist complain, never mind march?

And yet 20 odd-years later, the Poll Tax is STILL mentioned as if every Scottish first born was taken, and so much so, according to the SNP better to head into a independent Scottish financial disaster, than have a Tory administration that dug the UK out of the pooh and providing the best growing economy/job growth in Europe.

And the growth in Northern England, another place 'the Tories don't care about,' is similar to the South/South East, due to policies/investment.

Scotland is being sold a dodgy pup, that will eat them out of house and home - no scare story, its a financial fact.

Respect in the Westminster parliament should be earned on an MP's ability to do the job, not use the salaried platform to throw mindless party insults around; MP's can get that on the streets with far more passion, venom, and (currently) phlegm.

One day. possibly by the next global recession, many politician PAID to understand such things will realise that the cutting back of UK government spending - that from around 2001 to 2008 had risen an unprecedented 50% in real terms on the back of more debt and tax receipts of a financial bubble (that then burst) to near £700 billion a year - is NOT 'austerity', especially when such a large budget deficit resulted, TRENDING annually higher.

So if fellow MPs do NOT look at another accusing MP who may not understand what they are talking about, it is NEITHER patronising because of age, or that they are embarrassed for themselves.

Mhairi Black says Tory MPs stopped looking at her after she delivered maiden speech in House of Commons

21-year-old SNP MP launches scathing attack on 'selfish' and 'dangerous' Tories who 'always prey on what I would call the worst bits of human nature'
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mhairi-black-says-tories-stopped-looking-at-her-after-her-maiden-speech-a6688146.html

Britain’s youngest MP Mhairi Black has explained how Conservative MPs stopped looking at her after she delivered her maiden speech, which went viral online and hit 10 million views by the end of the day.

The 21-year-old SNP MP, reflecting on her first five months in Westminster, described the Tories as a “really dangerous party” who “always prey on what I would call the worst bits of human nature”.

She said Labour MPs had not looked her in the eye from the off, perhaps embarrassed at what her triumph signified for their party, but having launched a scathing attack on the Tories in her first speech in the House of Commons in July, they too stopped looking at her in the eye.

Ms Black became the youngest MP in 350 years after ousting former Labour Cabinet minister Douglas Alexander as MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire South at the age of just 20-years-old.

In an interview with the Guardian, Ms Black said she expected to be patronised due to her age but said it “went to a whole new level” than what she was anticipating. She said: “If one more person pats me on the back … it was all the time: ‘How are you, are you alright? How are you finding it?’”

MP's are in parliament to represent and get things done for their constituency/country, it will help neither if those a passionate MP needs to work with to build a consensus, return the same 'respect' shown to them - and within those corridors, do the equivalent of crossing the street every time they see you. IMO.

Today we heard on the Daily Politics that a Scotland that would have gained independence would have currently had a £8 billion black hole in its finances, how very 'progressive'.

How can independence be "unstoppable" when voting to be out of the UK, and trying for god knows how long to try and gain membership of the EU with dodgy finances, when rumour has it, the EU might have learned their lesson on that?

Sturgeon should be very careful warning that a UK referendum resulting in a EU 'NO' vote would 'trigger' (a gobby SNP's economic downfall on) a Scotland's UK exit, as to many little Englanders, that would be quite an incentive TO vote 'NO' to the EU.

Sturgeon: Indy Ref 2 If England Votes No To EU

Nicola Sturgeon says if England votes to leave the EU it will be considered a breach of last year's independence referendum.
news.sky.com/story/1570789/sturgeon-indy-ref-2-if-england-votes-no-to-eu

"Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said if England votes to leave the EU then a second independence referendum will be "unstoppable".

"SNP sources told Sky's Chief Political Correspondent Jon Craig this would mean the SNP would need to win well over 50% of the vote in May's Scottish Parliament elections for Ms Sturgeon to make the case for a second referendum."

Funny, didn't Ms Sturgeon say yesterday that for those Scots NOT wanting independence, they should still vote SNP next May in the Scottish Parliament elections, as it would not mean they are voting for independence.

Slippery.

McCuba ....Stugeon says 'forget the policies, trust ME'

Sturgeon makes a 'pig gate' joke to the man who rescued the UK economy from 13-years of socialism for which Scotland owes whatever prosperity it maintains and those it Europe she wants to stay part of, don't, with TWICE our unemployment and HALF our growth.

Sturgeon wants her supporters hyped up on how fecking good she and independence is for the country WITHOUT referring to what pays most of the bills - and that they'd have an £8 billion black hole in their finances if Scotland left the UK.

”The Barnett Formula Explained”
news.sky.com/story/1336911/the-barnett-formula-explained

”The formula, strictly speaking the Barnett settlement, allocates state spending between the nations of the United Kingdom. The end result is wide disparities between the per-person spending of up to £2,000 a year in those nations.”

England gets £8,500 Per Head

Scotland gets £10,100 Per Head.

Even 'trust me' dictators like Castro and his thugs knew NOT to bite the hand that fed them.

But of course its all right for socialists to get 'goady', even when their leaders dish out slurry and stand there with a stupid look on their faces milking the reaction, but not anyone else - after all, Conservatives are (usually) too 'polite' to respond.

Goad away is what I say, with the right to reply.

Re the anti austerity party of Scotland against all the savage Tory cuts to a 2010 socialist £153 bil annual overspend called ‘austerity’.

In the Sunday Politics today that SNP Angus whatshisface who stands up at PMQT was asked, according to the Scottish Parliament records ‘what cuts have there been to Scotland via their budget from 2008/9’ - and he did not know.

According to Andrew Neil using those official records in real (inflation adjusted) terms, from 2008/9 to date, Scotland has received via Barnett etc £35 billion in each of those years.

So where ARE all the huge cuts imposed on Scotland by Westminster?

Sturgeon likes to portray herself here and in all those visits abroad as some stateswomen, to be trusted no matter what, similar to Angela Merkel of Germany, the German people long ago nicknamed ‘mutter’ (mother).

Yet there is a huge difference in leader who has built and/or maintained a sustainable and powerful economy, to one who can piggy back off of the UK’s diversified economic success, currency and interest rates - and just constantly whinges she is not ‘getting enough’ leading a party making up issues (including the affordability of independence), before they happen.

I live in Scotland. The SNP are nothing more than nasty, nationalist bullies. They've dressed themselves up well and unfortunately duped a lot of voters.

The Yes campaign was nothing more than a ridiculous pie in the sky notion of some kind of Scottish utopia. Without any sensible consideration of economics and a selfish view to improve Scotland for Scottish inhabitants and bugger the rest of the UK.

No voters were shouted down as cowardly and I've seen some insidious controls of media and culture by the Nationalists that worry me greatly.

I hope they spectacularly fail in their stupid endeavour and are consigned to political oblivion forever.

So much time spent on running down the SNP while Tories get away with destroying the UK. Seems so strange to rerun old arguments. To those who say the SNP don't accept the referendum result - clearly they do and Sturgeon has said as much. What she hasn't done is rule out another referendum if circumstances suggest the majority of people want one. That's democracy. I've no idea why so many people are so scared of it.

Also - Tommy Sheridan is NOT emblematic of the Yes campaign. He's a lone shark with his own interests.

So much time spent on running down the SNP while Tories get away with destroying the UK. Seems so strange to rerun old arguments.

Maybe the focus remains on the SNP because they want the focus to remain on them, pretending everything in the UK wasn't heading down the pan-hole by May 2010 - and so keep attacking the Conservatives while sorting the 13-years of socialism shitstack out - while seemingly finding a new reason to oppose/leave the union every other month.

“Government accused of risking 'disunited kingdom' as Commons approves English votes for English laws”

”The landmark reform has been agreed in the Commons by 312 votes to 270”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-accused-of-risking-disunited-kingdom-as-commons-approves-english-votes-for-english-laws-a6704856.html

Salmond demands £500million for Scotland in exchange for SNP backing a third runway at Heathrow

• Former First Minister makes ransom demand at the SNP conference today
• SNP veteran demanded a guarantee for extra flights to and from Scotland
• Tory majority of 12 could force Cameron to rely on support from SNP MPs
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3276161/Salmond-demands-500million-Scotland-exchange-SNP-backing-runway-Heathrow.html

The SNP will carry on opposing most Conservative policies for short term votes as they want to SHOW to their voters an independent Scotland even now, rather than being within a united kingdom.

So they will treat the rest of the UK as a future competitor and will try to hold it back - as most medium to large businesses on independence could not remain there with all the SNP uncertainties - and don't want the the competitive gap to widen.