Corbyn wins Labour leadership – Cameron flees to the Middle East

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Did anybody else find it brutally amusing that very shortly after Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership election, David Cameron was photographed in a Lebanese refugee camp?

Some might say he was overreacting to the Labour left-winger??s landslide victory.

But the fear in the Conservative Party is palpable. Consider the tweet that Cameron sent yesterday: ??The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family??s security.??

This is the new message that Tories and their supporters will be pushing at you, in the style of Goebbels?? ??Big Lie??, until you bloody well believe it! Nazi-style brainwashing of this kind has worked for them before and they reckon it??ll work again!

Except??

It seems we??re having none of it ?? at least, not at the moment. Here??s comedian Bill Bailey??s response:

??National Security under threat from Man with Beard in Cardigan! Wait??but.. that??s me also! I??ll??i??ll turn myself in????

Brian May took it slightly more seriously:

??Shall we just be honest and say Corbyn is a massive threat to the Conservative Party ? Bri.??

Even the Rizzle Kicks (remember them?) got in on the act:

??You??re a threat to the underprivileged, disabled and all involved in the creative arts you absolute waste of energy.??

This Writer enjoyed the following from Rob Williamson:

??The Tories are masters of irony. ??Vote Corbyn & you??ll starve!?? Count the damn food banks.??

And then there??s this:

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A week in politics may be a long time, but some of us have very long memories.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/09/14/corbyn-wins-labour-leadership-cameron-flees-to-the-middle-east/

But the fear in the Conservative Party is palpable.

Idiot.

Out of 65 million people, over 400,000 UK citizens, many hard left, many trade unionists thinking we have gone Back To The 1970s/80s Future - who neither understand what QE is, or why National Debt increases under Conservatives when your own party leaves an £153 bil annual deficit/overspend and oppose every cut - votes for Corbyn's Shangri La La land policies.

And I also have a long memory of when the UK trade union movement thought they run both the Labour Party and this country;

We came close to losing our democracy in 1979

??Douglas Eden reveals the extraordinary penetration of the 1970s Labour movement by pro-Soviet trade unionists and the extent of Callaghan??s toleration of the hard Left??
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

Winter of Discontent

The Winter of Discontent refers to the winter of 1978??79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

Cameron will show respect to Corbyn's Labour Party as unlike Labour scare stories the NHS will collapse after every General Election, back in 1979 the whole UK economy was collapsing under the likes of Corbynomics - so the stakes for the UK are way too high in underestimating the appeal of Corbyn's village idiot rationale, as his own party just has.

Back To The Future.....

Union bosses threaten to use Jeremy Corbyn's victory to cripple UK

The chiefs of Britain's biggest unions threaten to ??topple the Government?? using ??coordinated strikes and demonstrations??
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11862413/Union-bosses-threaten-to-use-Jeremy-Corbyns-victory-to-cripple-UK.html

I daid that before abd repeat again. Cameroon responds to those who dhout loudest.
He got the message that people care so he went. He wouldn't have had there been no campaigns by MN and various other organisations. Media articles, Tweets and FB activity was picked up by his PR teams (everyone analyses media for key words nowadays) and he responded by news catching trip advertising British financial contributions.

dhout=shout

antimatter .... The UK until recently was THE largest contributor to the Syrian refugees, I believe paying in close to £1 billion, which was more than the rest of the Eurozone put together.

Cameron's view was open invitations to refugees ENCOURAGES travel from the Middle East region, putting their own lives at risk, and Europe would have no control of either the numbers or if indeed they are refugees, rather than economic migrants looking to start a new life from several countries.

Cameron inherited over 1.7 mil families (5 million individuals, many children in shite accomadation) in the UK needing social housing and although we are currently building around 145,000 new homes a year, we have a net immigration figure of around 330,000 a year - mainly offering a future/jobs to the poorest in Europe who have an automatic right to do so.

So based on;

• We have no idea at any given year what our net immigration figure from the EU will be.

• We have a shortage of well over 1 million homes.

• The uncontrolled flows into Europe is not working too well.

I would say that the policies to accept 20,000 FROM the camps around Syria we as a country have been supporting with shed loads of money, was both right for the UK's infrastucture, and right not to encourage those travelling to get here - and worthy of a visit from the PM authorizing such large sums.

If Europe wants to take all 23 million citizens, I have no problem with that, but until the UK has THE RIGHT to set a net immigration target and exactly who comes here to bun fight for a home - let us just take Europe's jobless/poor for now please.

antimatter, at least he's responding appropriately to a massive amount of public pressure and some of the largest petitions we've seen. Can't complain when Blair doesn't (Iraq War) and when Cameron does, play fair.

The amount of question marks are really annoying

Yup, can't shift them, any advice - apart from don't post?

BlackSunday??. Re Cameron??s claim the half wits laugh at that Corbyn??s Labour is a danger to UK National Defence, please correct me if I??m wrong;

• Corbyn believes that the funding of our army etc by the taxpayer should be optional, so as taxes pay for all our services, ergo an army/defence is optional.

• Corbyn does not believe that we should be NATO, despite the protection it afforded members and other countries for decades, whether against the threat of a Soviet Union Cold War escalation, or the ongoing threat of Axis of Evil countries whichever ones they are at any given time.

• Corbyn does not believe in a UK retaining its nuclear deterrent e.g. the Trident replacement costing around £100 billion over 30-years, that for decades (and in the future) protects us as NO foreign power can ever believe that it can attack us with nuclear weapons without retaliation, resulting in a Mutually Assured Destruction.

Sept 11 2015; Britain scramblesTyphoons from RAF Lossiemouth to intercept nuclear-capable Russian supersonic bombers off Northumbrian coast
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231119/Britain-scrambles-
Typhoons-RAF-Lossiemouth-intercept-nuclear-capable-Russian-supersonic-bombers-Scottish-coast.html

?? The Typhoons from RAF Lossiemouth raced to intercept the Russian jets
?? RAF pilots visually identified the Tupolev Tu-160 'Black Jack' bombers
?? The Black Jacks are capable of carrying 16 short-range nuclear missiles
?? The Cold War era jets are capable of flying at twice the speed of sound

Now why wouldn??t a far left socialist politician backed by the trade union movement not want to currently protect us against the returning threat of an expansionist Russia trying to intimidate the UK and other European NATO members into accepting its influence and ambitions i.e. the Ukraine and Syria?

Back To The Future?

"We came close to losing our democracy in 1979"

How can we lose something we never had? Wasn't it Disraeli who said this country has never had a democracy and he hoped it never would?

If it's democracy that worries you, you should be more than satisfied with Corbyn's election result, despite the patronising buffoons who, bizarrely, tried to join a party they didn't believe in solely to vote for a leader they didn't support.

Let's look at the figures. Just to give some context:

The countries that received the most bilateral aid - money that goes from the UK to a single nation - in 2013 were Pakistan (£338m), Ethiopia (£329m) and Bangladesh (£272m), according to the last full spending report.

OK - this is what I found re: 1bn spent in Syria as reported by the Department for International Development,:
To date we have committed £1 billion in humanitarian funding.

devtracker.dfid.gov.uk/countries/SY/

Key Info (money spent in Syria)

Operational Plan Budget 2015/2016 More information about the operational plan budget
£144,000,000
Total Project Budget for 2015/2016 More information about the total project budget
£152,135,810

This IS a lot of money but it is 144M for the current financial year.
We would need someone who understands how much money costs to house refugees in camps to know how far this money goes.

We all know that Syria's neighbouring countries took millions refugees in.
I would say that giving home and support for 1.59 million people like Turkey did by the end of 2014 would cost much more than 144M per year. Therefore statement that "The UK until recently was THE largest contributor to the Syrian refugees" is false and I would like to see figures proving me wrong.

here's most detailed breakdown of money spent by DiFD and where they went, it's dated 14/09/2015 therefore just fresh off the press for February 2012 to June 2015:
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/460679/DFID_Syria_Crisis_Response_Summary_14.09.15.pdf

antimatter ???? Re the money for Syrian refugees the devil is in the detail, and although I just luv detail, my quote The UK until recently was THE largest contributor to the Syrian refugees that usually includes ??within Europe??, appears to be factually incorrect anyway ?? as according to the statement the UK has ALLOCATED the money and not paid it out in a honking great lump sum.

Syria refugees: UK government response
www.gov.uk/government/news/syria-refugees-uk-government-response

Aid

The UK is the second largest bilateral donor and has allocated £900 million since 2012 to help vulnerable people in Syria and refugees in the region. The Prime Minister also announced a further £100 million on 4 September, taking our total contribution to over £1 billion. In addition, DFID has allocated £9.5 million from the UK Conflict, Stability and Security Fund to support local capacity and build longer term stability. Our support is reaching millions of people and has saved lives in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and Egypt.

On 14 September the Prime Minister visited Lebanon to see the impact of UK aid in the region. He also announced the appointment of a new minister to coordinate work across government to resettle Syrian refugees in the UK. as well as new education funding for refugees in Lebanon.

Read a factsheet setting out how funding is being spent or followwww.facebook.com/SyriaCrisisUKaid for the latest updates.

Re your cynicism on this recent visit, Cameron visited the same Jordan camp in November 2012 stating President Assad of Syria had to be stopped displacing/killing his own people, when there were around 30,000 refugees in the camp out of an estimated 241,000 within the whole country ?? whereas now they have 1.4 million Syrians in Jordan (20% of the population) with 630,000 of them registered as refugees.

I suspect that it was that visit that led him to take the issue of direct action stopping airplanes, helicopters and artillery pounding Syrians in their own homes to the UK parliament less than a year later, which promptly let down the people of Syria.

30 August 2013; David Cameron's plans for military action in Syria shot down in dramatic Commons vote
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-plans-for-military-action-in-syria-shot-down-in-dramatic-commons-vote-8788612.html

Syria: living under the horrors of barrel bombs in Aleppo
www.channel4.com/news/barrel-bombs-syria-assad-aleppo-deraa-idlib-civilian-deaths

??The Syrian Observatory of Human Rights has said around 7,000 barrel bombs have been dropped by the Syrian regime in the first five months of 2015, killing around 3,000 people - mostly civilians - and these numbers continue to rise.??

Regarding what the likes of neighbouring Turkey, Jordan, the Lebanon etc have done re taking in a portion of the 23 million Syrian people who thanks to Assad and ISIS could all be nomads if that situation is left as is ?? I have no problem if that £1 billion all goes to them ?? as after all, the VAST MAJORITY of Syrians want to go back home across one border, not come to Europe.

In conclusion, I understand the money is both allocated and a shed load of money more than the rest of the Eurozone has so far pledged collectively, but please feel free to correct me??.again. lol

Just to be accurate - your statement
The UK until recently was THE largest contributor to the Syrian refugees, I believe paying in close to £1 billion, which was more than the rest of the Eurozone put together.

Should read:
The UK until recently was SECOND largest contributor to the Syrian refugees I believe paying in close to £1 billion per this link from Syria refugees: UK government response [[https://www.gov.uk/government/news/syria-refugees-uk-government-response]]

Germany is the third largest bilateral donor of humanitarian assistance and made available around 175 million euros for people in Syria and neighbouring countries affected by the conflict in Syria in 2014 alone.

So far I managed to find TOTAL contribution to foreign aid.
*USA - 32 bn
*Britain - 19 bn
*Germany - 16 bn
*the rest of Europe - 36 bn

I am still looking for a breakdown of those figures to particular causes/countries.

my link went AWOL
Syria refugees UK government response

Re the 1st or 2nd place slot you bring up, as I mention above I usually refer to within the Eurozone, to Uncle sam is not included.

Clearly the commitment from this one country to just Syria rather that 'total contributions to foreign aid' from 17 Eurozone or 27 EU other 'European' countries (that could include money to Greece lol) is key here.

I'd also ask how many of those countries in Europe have a larger annual budget deficit in cash terms than the UK, nearly halved from 2010, as from the top of my head in 2014 only France was close?

Anyhoo for for a country that for some reason has food banks the others don't, yet twice the economic growth of the Eurozone, a £billion ALLOCATION is none too shabby. IMO

I haven't got the numbers to analyse % of aid vs deficit of each country vs GDP.

Numbers are out there and I am sure someone can crunch them.

RE food banks - I don't know what other countries need to do in order to provide for people in need so I would leave this argument out.

Good, I was starting to lose the will to live, but I suspect that was the point. lol

Lets leave it using the technical term, none too shabby.