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Anyone else follow climate change news obsessively?

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Chickychickyparmparm · 25/08/2015 16:46

It's like a car crash - I can't look away.

I am reading more and more in the build-up to the Paris talks at the end of the year. China has surprised everyone with a bigger pledge than expected. But will it be enough? What about the US? They ignored the Kyoto Protocol. Obama is in the news today talking about melting ice in Alaska - yet gave Shell the go-ahead to drill in the Arctic.

I am genuinely terrified of what will happen if the world does not act fast.

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JassyRadlett · 30/08/2015 16:49

People are not stupid. Whenever they are given a real choice such as Trump, Farage or Corbyn, they grab it with both hands even though Blair and the great and the good advise them not to, advise them to be "sensible" and vote for more of the same. People know that Blair doesn't make sense and Trump does.

You can't have it both ways. According to you, people are stupid enough to be tricked by the global elite for decades, stupid enough to fall for a ' global warming scam' but bright enough to say 'hey, this Trump guy really understands me and is 100% going to fight for me, despite his expensive education, leg up into daddy's business, his bailout through a multimillion dollar inheritance and a business structure that had repeatedly relied on profiting through ripping off others via chapter 11.'

People voted for Blair too, you know. In quite big numbers. They were stupid then, but not when they voted for Farage?

I'm going to keep asking. Do you think Corbyn is right or wrong on cooling?

(btw: Oil, coal, gas. A lot easier for either business 'barons' or governments to control than, you know, the sun. As you've pointed out in your own posts. Or have you been getting ideas from Monty Burns about the sun?)

I'm excited to see these workable global carbon markets that are coming, given that no one can agree on any aspects of them and those trialled to date have been...well. So, which model has the shadowy global elite chosen?

claig · 30/08/2015 17:09

'According to you, people are stupid enough to be tricked by the global elite for decades'

Some people are, many aren't. Some people break out in cold sweats and panic attacks at one of their scary adverts about the planet being submerged under water or alternatively turned into a desert where nothing grows, but many people say "they're at it again, up to their usual scaremongering tricks about the apocalypse".

"bright enough to say 'hey, this Trump guy really understands me and is 100% going to fight for me"

Absolutely, confounding all of the expectations of the Republican elite.

'People voted for Blair too, you know. In quite big numbers. They were stupid then, but not when they voted for Farage? '

Yes, I voted for Blair in 1997 but soon realised I had been conned and later voted Farage and was only conned by our out-of-date unrepresentative First Past the Post electoral system which granted 4 million voters, one solitary parliamentary seat.

'A lot easier for either business 'barons' or governments to control than, you know, the sun'

They can't stop China developing and exploring for oil short of going to war over it. Without international binding climate agreements and treaties there is nothing they can do to stop human industrial progress and oil exploration. There is nothing they can do to lower worldwide progress and increasing living standards.

'So, which model has the shadowy global elite chosen?'

I don't know because I haven't been keeping up-to-date with all their shenanigans, but rest assured, the one they will choose will be the one that is financially most advantageous to them and financially least advantageous to the taxpayer, and there will possibly be what they call a "charidee", receiving taxpayer fundied grants, involved at some stage.

JassyRadlett · 30/08/2015 17:22

Yes, I voted for Blair in 1997 but soon realised I had been conned.

So how do you know Farage isn't conning you for some purpose you haven't figured out yet?

Cooling? Where do you stand?

throckenholt · 30/08/2015 18:53
  • Donald Trump .... tweeted.

"This global warming bullshit has got to stop". *

Ah - that's all right then. Presumably he has some clever way to circumvent the rules of physics and chemistry. Good-oh - we can all stop bothering then.

claig · 30/08/2015 18:53

I don't know about Farage. Only time will tell. But I no longer think he will be the big news any more. I think he has been eclipsed by Corbyn and Corbynmania. It is now Corbyn who will change the country. Some things I will like about that change, and the climate stuff I won't. But that is how it goes.

On cooling, I think we probably are heading for cooling, but I haven't done enough research to back it up, it is just a gut feel.

Just heard this on the news. If Trump gets in the entire charade will stop.
Fingers crossed.

"Obama defends Arctic drilling decision on eve of Alaska climate change trip

President accused of undermining own agenda with decision to allow hunt for oil in Arctic, as he prepares for three-day tour to showcase effects of climate change"

www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/29/obama-arctic-drilling-alaska-trip-climate-change

JassyRadlett · 30/08/2015 18:55

On cooling, I think we probably are heading for cooling, but I haven't done enough research to back it up, it is just a gut feel.

So why did you refer to it as a 'trick' earlier?

claig · 30/08/2015 20:42

'So why did you refer to it as a 'trick' earlier?'

Because the elites don't care what lie, trick or dodgy dossier the people fall for as long as the elites can meet their objectives. By definition, if the elites or any of their puppets say something, very often it is a trick, whereas if Piers Corbyn, for example, says it then it is said in good faith and is most probably true.

JassyRadlett · 30/08/2015 23:00

So we're back to only believing certain sources of information, and following them blindly?

Interesting that you'll accept the same theory from one set of people, but not others. To the point where you'll describe it as a 'trick' from those you don't like, but if someone you like says it, it's worth listening to.

Do you honestly not see the logical problem with that?

By definition, if the elites or any of their puppets say something, very often it is a trick, whereas if Piers Corbyn, for example, says it then it is said in good faith and is most probably true.

This is the most brilliant example of a circular argument I've seen in a long time. A self-fulfilling definition is always an easy way to a logical fallacy. S

What makes Piers Corbyn not an elite? How does Trump avoid being an elite?

firefirethefairsonfire · 02/09/2015 22:49

"On cooling, I think we probably are heading for cooling, but I haven't done enough research to back it up, it is just a gut feel."

LOL. Throw out all the science - claig's had a gut feeling! Oh and claig has also done some research read the Daily Mail cover to cover.

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